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Averages attendances for Super League and other divisions.

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Would of thought the average would be down a fair bit from last year, with promotion relegation coming back hopefully we'll see sides start to get back to wer they was.

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Club... SL:2013... (SL:2012)

Leeds... 15197... (14948)

Wigan... 14545... (16043)

Hull... 11680... (11885)

St Helens... 11345... (14087)

Warrington... 10633... (11452)

Bradford... 8563... (11761)

Catalan... 8363... (9385)

Wakefield... 7972... (8172)

Hull KR... 7495... (7786)

Huddersfield... 6368... (7709)

Castleford... 6306... (6633)

Widnes... 6015... (5977)

Salford... 3125... (5503)

London... 2213... (2808)

Average... 8570... (9564)

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Quote an alarming drop in a few of those averages. Can see Hull's and Wakefield's dropping significantly next season as well. Can London's really drop any further?!

Rovers may get an increase with the new stand. Possibly Widnes with the steady progress. Definitely Salford!

Not usually one to be doom and gloom, but it's pretty disappointing to see them drop so much after years of healthy growth and breaking the 10k league average.

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I see Saints having a slight increase next year tbh... Plenty of enthusiasm flowing at the moment.

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8,500 isn't great. A move to 12 teams will help it though. Getting back over the 10,000 mark should be the goal. 

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Would of thought the average would be down a fair bit from last year, with promotion relegation coming back hopefully we'll see sides start to get back to wer they was.

 

Where they were is a lot lower than where they have been without automatic P&R, so I take it you would like to see lower attendances for some bizarre reason.

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So the average is lower this year than last.  It's happening already..being used as a specious argument to support some hobby horse or other - P and R has been mentioned already and there is still time for Nigel Wood, Phil Clarke, Richard Lewis, etc to cop the blame

 

For a full  picture I think we need to see stats from say 1985 to 2013 ...and beyond.

- attendances

- viewing figures

- ticket income

- TV income

 

This would cross the 1995 boundary and would show trends.  Making some sort of judgement on just one years figures would not be right.

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 Can London's really drop any further?!

 

0,000 next season.

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The average top division attendance in 94/95 (the last 'winter' season) was 5543. In 75/76, which is the earliest I can get back it was 3642. It'd be interesting to see what it was in 72/73, the last season where it was all one division, but I haven't been able to find anywhere which has the figures.

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The average top division attendance in 94/95 (the last 'winter' season) was 5543. In 75/76, which is the earliest I can get back it was 3642. It'd be interesting to see what it was in 72/73, the last season where it was all one division, but I haven't been able to find anywhere which has the figures.

 

This may help.

 

http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php/topic/243926-playoff-crowds/?p=2793498

 

The chart shows attendances for each division and a cumulative for all divisions from 1977 

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I don't see what the 70s and 80s have to do with anything? We're a full time sport now.

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I don't see what the 70s and 80s have to do with anything? We're a full time sport now.

 

I didn't realise spectators were once part time but are now full time.

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So the average is lower this year than last.  It's happening already..being used as a specious argument to support some hobby horse or other - P and R has been mentioned already and there is still time for Nigel Wood, Phil Clarke, Richard Lewis, etc to cop the blame.

 

You forgot Gideon Osborne!

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Why are some people glossing over the fact that its a slide over the last 2 years? Even if its still better than previous decades, its a cause for concern. 

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Why are some people glossing over the fact that its a slide over the last 2 years? Even if its still better than previous decades, its a cause for concern. 

Disagree, without the full facts such as actual income from gate receipts and club turn over etc we're only looking at part of the picture.  Yes be nice to have year on year increases but for all we know there maybe just as many actual paying punters now as there was previously.

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Will be interesting to see what impact relegation will have on crowds now will we see an increase from the bottom sides

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It will certainly be interesting to have someone present a causal link!  

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I didn't realise spectators were once part time but are now full time.

Clubs need more money now, so there's a greater importance in bringing in money via attendance than in the 70s and 80s. Comparing then to now is utterly pointless.

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Saints indifferent start to the season didn't do them any favours, although still a decent average when compared to other seasons. Bradford have suffered, but I suppose due in some way to the turmoil. It will certainly be interesting once the league is restructured. 

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Clubs need more money now, so there's a greater importance in bringing in money via attendance than in the 70s and 80s. Comparing then to now is utterly pointless.

 

But we're only comparing attendances not the return Cazenove are getting their investments on the 'medium risk, quick spend' fund.

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