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Just looking at the squad and who I had thought would be in/out, just wondered who people thought were the luckiest player to be in and the unluckiest to be left out of the fringe players given we knew the likes of Sinfield as captain were certs.

For luckiest I'd go with one of; McIllorum, Briscoe and Tom Burgess.

Of the unluckiest to be left out; Lunt, Ratchford and Crabtree.

I do think that there are merits to all decisions though and certainly won't join the berating by many on here of McNamara as I think positivity and support of the tournament and the England team is what is now needed, not a people disagree with me so I hope the tournament and team fail attitude.

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Of the dream team not included, I'd say Crooks and Lineham are not quite ready for the Aussies and Kiwis, Brough chose to play for Scotland, the continuity of the spine is the reason why no Smith, Peacock made himself unavailable, Lunt and Crabtree I agree we're unlucky, and both second rowers could do a job, but he has again gone for continuity in Ablett and Farrell as back up to Burgess and Westwood. An explosive Hock off the bench could well be the difference between winning and losing so I would always have him there.

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Unluckiest is clearly Jack Reed getting injured at the wrong time. Briscoe must have scraped into the squad after a largely anonymous season.

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Luckiest - Kevin Sinfield, Ablett, Burrow

Unluckiest - Crabtree, L. Burgess, Ratchford

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I think Ratchford has to be classed as very unlucky there. Really surprised he wasn't in the squad as he can provide coverage all over the back line. I'd pretty much back to do a job in any single digit shirt except 8. With a limited squad I would have thought that having a player who can cover that many positions well would be worth his weight in gold.

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I fully agree. to leave Ratchford out is a mistake, his position sense when retrieving high kicks is one of  the best I have seen this season, and can very often turn it into a good attacking position, the type of player that can make the half break and slip a pass.

He may get his chance if anyone has to pull out though, as SE4Wire says he is an ideal utility player.

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I wouldn't say he is lucky but i am not sure that Liam Farrell has the size to make an impact against the likes of Australia & NZ.

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I wouldn't say he is lucky but i am not sure that Liam Farrell has the size to make an impact against the likes of Australia & NZ.

Is he big for a second row/lock I thought he was about average size?

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Ratchford is unlucky, offers far more than Hardaker. He can play fb, centre & half back, Hardaker can only play fb to a high degree. At centre and hb he wouldn't get in the Leeds team never mind England.

McNamara might have watched the Hudds v Wigan game where Crabtree only lasted 16 mins before being hooked. Lunt disappeared as well. McIlorum played the 80 and Mossop long minutes too.

GF Play Off games are big games as are England World Cup games. Crabtree and Lunt couldn't hack it, McIlorum and Mossop could.

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Ratchford is unlucky, offers far more than Hardaker. He can play fb, centre & half back, Hardaker can only play fb to a high degree. At centre and hb he wouldn't get in the Leeds team never mind England.

McNamara might have watched the Hudds v Wigan game where Crabtree only lasted 16 mins before being hooked. Lunt disappeared as well. McIlorum played the 80 and Mossop long minutes too.

GF Play Off games are big games as are England World Cup games. Crabtree and Lunt couldn't hack it, McIlorum and Mossop could.

When Hardaker did play at centre for Leeds he was terrible.I've only ever seen him play HB once and that was his debut for Leeds in the u20's.He did actually look quite good.Although it was only the u20's.

Have to agree about Ratchford,offers more cover and crucially,creativity.

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Tom Burgess for sure. He’s not progressed as much as the others, although he’s only been down under less than a year to be fair. Still turns over the ball far too easily, something that blighted his game too often at the Bulls.

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Tom Burgess for sure. He’s not progressed as much as the others, although he’s only been down under less than a year to be fair. Still turns over the ball far too easily, something that blighted his game too often at the Bulls.

 

Tom Burgess is only selected for the Marketing angle, Twins, three Burgess boys in the squad.

He played nine NRL games this year, does that make you an English Test player?

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Tom Burgess is only selected for the Marketing angle, Twins, three Burgess boys in the squad.

He played nine NRL games this year, does that make you an English Test player?

 

I've no doubt that had some influence the decision, although at this moment in time Luke deserves a place more than Tom (for what it's worth I only think Sam and George are worthy of places in the squad)

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Unlucky

 

Ratchford.

 

Followed by Goulding and Lunt

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Definitely the luckiest player is Sinfield, he has this aura about him that is totally manufactured when it comes to his offerings as an international player, good club player yes, international no. He has never caused problems to the big two and they will not need any special or particular instruction to nullify him.

 

McNamara sees him as the savior of English Rugby League for some reason, His kicking game is nowhere near the best in SL, he has never been blessed with great pace - and certainly not with the passing years - his tackling is adequate, and his distribution OK, in total, quite an average player, no wonder there were jeers from all corners of the globe when he was nominated the Worlds Best 

 

I will challenge anyone to tell me who he is better than if he is selected at 6,7,9 or 13 than other members of this current squad, in fact I would go as far to say that he has never been the best that could have been selected in any of those positions in any Rep game he has played.

 

Hope I am totally wrong but even accounting for our weak centers I think he will prove to be "The Weakest Link" 

 

This is not a Kevin Sinfield assassination, it is just pointing out reality. 

 

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Definitely the luckiest player is Sinfield, he has this aura about him that is totally manufactured when it comes to his offerings as an international player, good club player yes, international no. He has never caused problems to the big two and they will not need any special or particular instruction to nullify him.

 

McNamara sees him as the savior of English Rugby League for some reason, His kicking game is nowhere near the best in SL, he has never been blessed with great pace - and certainly not with the passing years - his tackling is adequate, and his distribution OK, in total, quite an average player, no wonder there were jeers from all corners of the globe when he was nominated the Worlds Best - 

 

I will challenge anyone to tell me who he is better than if he is selected at 6,7,9 or 13 than other members of this current squad, in fact I would go as far to say that he has never been the best that could have been selected in any of those positions in any Rep game he has played.

 

Hope I am totally wrong but even accounting for our weak centers I think he will prove to be "The Weakest Link" 

 

This is not a Kevin Sinfield assassination, it is just pointing out reality. 

 

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If he has never caused problems to the big 2 how has he been MOM in his last 2 games v NZ?

Just sayin like ;-)

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If he has never caused problems to the big 2 how has he been MOM in his last 2 games v NZ?

Just sayin like ;-)

Didn't you read the post where games against NZ don't count,c'mon, get with the  program. ;)

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I find myself in the unusual position of defending Kevin Sinfield, the man who can literally whinge for England.

 His high kicks spiral and tumble in flight like no-else's that I've seen. Also, he doesn't disappear when things aren't going right for him.

It's also likely that Sean O'Loughlin won't be fully fit. I think Sam Burgess will end up playing for a bit in three different positions during a game. I also think that, at the very least, Gareth Hock and Michael McIlorum will spend time in the sin bin. KS is able to cover loose forward, stand-off and hooker.

 

 

 

 

Zak Hardaker and Tom Burgess are the luckiest players. Big Eorl, Danny Houghton and Stefan Ratchford are the unluckiest.

Still, I'm not complaining.

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ratchford is by far the unluckiest, the best utility player in super league by a country mile.

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ratchford is by far the unluckiest, the best utility player in super league by a country mile.

I agree here. I would definitely have picked Ratchford and then one of Briscoe or Hardaker.

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