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I also get the feeling you'd prefer the SL dream team to be the England team? I'm not sure using a made up team selected by journalists is the best way forward do you?

 

How could you possibly get that feeling. I would have Kirmond in over Ablett, Lomax over Burrow, Ratchford over Hardacre and the water boy over Kevin Sinfield.

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How could you possibly get that feeling. I would have Kirmond in over Ablett, Lomax over Burrow, Ratchford over Hardacre and the water boy over Kevin Sinfield.

So any player but a Leeds one then.FACT.

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So any player but a Leeds one then.FACT.

 

Your opinion. Wrong opinion.

 

I would still have Ryan Hall and Kallum Watkins as they are the strongest players in there position. In my opinion Kirmond is better then Ablett, Lomax is a better player then Burrow and can cover 2/3 positions, Ratchford is better then Hardacre and very versatile and Sinfield is rubbish but as we all know, no one can say anything about Leed's players or there fans have a little cry.

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Your opinion. Wrong opinion.

 

I would still have Ryan Hall and Kallum Watkins as they are the strongest players in there position. In my opinion Kirmond is better then Ablett, Lomax is a better player then Burrow and can cover 2/3 positions, Ratchford is better then Hardacre and very versatile and Sinfield is rubbish but as we all know, no one can say anything about Leed's players or there fans have a little cry.

Can opinions be wrong.Like you I have  ended my statement with the word  FACT.Going by your logic it is indeed a fact and not an opinion.Which is it to be ,you can't have it both ways.Not crying,just offering counter points.to you sinfield may be rubbish,it's your opinion,you are enttiled to it but doesn't really help prove anything in this case does it.It  just makes you look bitter and pathetic.

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Can opinions be wrong.Like you I have  ended my statement with the word  FACT.Going by your logic it is indeed a fact and not an opinion.Which is it to be ,you can't have it both ways.Not crying,just offering counter points.Calm down dear.

 

You watch the Leed's players far too much, you have picked up there expert whinging skills. Fact. Name calling I see.

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It's statements likes 'sinfield is rubbish' and ' have a little cry' that just weaken your standpoint as you just come across like a bit of a petulant child.

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It's statements likes 'sinfield is rubbish' and ' have a little cry' that just weaken your standpoint as you just come across like a bit of a petulant child.

 

It's when you can't admit that a player from the team you support isn't the be all and end all that make you and Terry (Sinfield s mum and dad) look pathetic.

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You watch the Leed's players far too much, you have picked up there expert whinging skills. Fact.

Being a Leeds supporter ,yes i do watch them.As for whinging,nah,again countering your patheitc non argument.FACT.

 

It's when you can't admit that a player from the team you support isn't the be all and end all that make you and Terry (Sinfield s mum and dad) look pathetic.

Resorting to insults.Oh dear.no one has said he is the be all and end all,myself and christoper have stated we think he is worthy of his inculsion in the England squad.nothing more,nothing less.By the way 7723 who do you support?

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It's when you can't admit that a player from the team you support isn't the be all and end all that make you and Terry (Sinfield s mum and dad) look pathetic.

Grow up.

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Is being related to Sinfield insulting? You do whinge an awful lot. I have never seen a statement made about Sinfield that you two have waded into because someone dare criticise Sinfield.

 

So arguing Sinfield shouldn't be in the squad is pathetic but saying he should isn't. Hmm interesting. I will bear that in mind going forward.

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Is being related to Sinfield insulting? You do whinge an awful lot. I have never seen a statement made about Sinfield that you two have waded into because someone dare criticise Sinfield.

 

So arguing Sinfield shouldn't be in the squad is pathetic but saying he should isn't. Hmm interesting. I will bear that in mind going forward.

No,resorting to statements like "I'd rather have the waterboy than Sinfield" or "Sinfield is rubbish" are pathetic.up until that point your statements were quite valid.

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i would say luckiest has to be liam farrell who was anonymous for 3/4 of the season and nowhere near international level. same goes for briscoe.

unluckiest i would go for lunt but im biased being a town fan and ratchford who in my opinion is a better full back than any others in the squad including tomkins who i would have in the halves.

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Is being related to Sinfield insulting? You do whinge an awful lot. I have never seen a statement made about Sinfield that you two have waded into because someone dare criticise Sinfield.

So arguing Sinfield shouldn't be in the squad is pathetic but saying he should isn't. Hmm interesting. I will bear that in mind going forward.

Again grow up. Nobody has said your not allowed an opinion that's what this board is for but whilst you continue to post like you do with childish insults you will continue to get derided.

As for whinging if you can't see that it is infact you that keeps whinging about McNamara and Sinfield then you clearly are blind.

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7723 you actually started your argument fairly well, but there isn't any need for petulant name calling ect.

 

My point of view on Sinfield will always be as it has been. He isn't a bad player as people make him out to be, he's been in the top bracket of SL players for the best part of a decade now and has a pivotal role in the Leeds side. He has the sufficient attriubutes required at SL level to do an affective job and also guide Leeds round the park and captain the side and lead them to success.

 

But international level is just a step up in which his ability of being an RL player cannot make. He is to slow, his disribution out wide is to slow, his creativity isn't the best and it's now fairly debatable that his kicking game isn't the best this country has to offer. His organisation is exceptional yes, but we have countless number of players who are more than capable of doing this. The fact he hasn't been anywhere near the top of the albert goldthorpe medal table, super league dream team or man of steel for a while now suggests that his form is not even that good at SL level. I can't see how you can argue his form since 2011 has earned him a place in the squad because quite frankly it hasn't. A couple of exceptional performances at the end of the 2012 season do not make up for 2 years of average. I also don't take the argument that he will be better if he plays for England the same role he plays for Leeds because I don't think organisation can cover up obvious flaws in his attacking play. 3 - 4 decent performances in 30 RL games also suggests he doesn't have the ability to step it up. One thing I will credit Sinfield with is not going missing when his team are struggling (Brough is common for this, although he didn't against Wire in the playoffs) Sinfield will always carry on as he is and try to get his team on the front foot, regardless if his efforts are good enough.

 

Farrell and Ablett are so lucky to be ahead of Kirmond. Kirmond has been the best second rower this season by some distance and I think the reason he hasn't been picked is because he hasn't been wearing one of the shirts of the former two players.

 

I'd of had Ratchford is for versatility and not picked Tom Briscoe. Briscoe has done absolutely nothing to suggest he should be in the side. I don't agree with dropping Hardaker for him because Hardaker is a brilliant back up for Tomkins.

 

Lunt is unlucky as he's been the best hooker in the country for the last 18 months. None of the hookers selected ahead of him have showed no reason why they should of been.

 

Crabtree behind T Burgess is controversial but I can understand why it was done.

 

Smith is unlucky and should be ahead of Sinfield.

 

Apart from that I believe most have earned there place in the squad.

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Valid points.

Re: Kirmond, he's had a good season at wakefield yet struggled to get into the huddersfield side.Is he really international class or has he just been a standout player in a relatively poor side?

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RSN valid points put in a well written post (others take note!) and I don't 100% disagree with your opinions in Sinfield.

I'm just hoping that Mcnamaras plan to keep a settled squad actually pays some dividends because as you rightly point out if the team was picked solely in current form a number of players have been over looked, having said that I actually think Mcnamaras approach is a good one and we will see a much improved tournement from England. We're not IMO good enough to win it whoever we pick as I just think the Australians are just a class above, we will beat then once this tournament though and I hope that's in the final.

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Valid points.

Re: Kirmond, he's had a good season at wakefield yet struggled to get into the huddersfield side.Is he really international class or has he just been a standout player in a relatively poor side?

 

I just think he is international class. His work rate, dominance in the tackle and strong running going to forward and also he has a knack of running very good lines.

 

He reminds me of Ben Westwood in a sense of work rate and ethic. Except Ben Westwood has a lot more aggression in his game (which I prefer in a second rower) but then again Westwood gives away a lot of silly penalties which Kirmond doesn't. Although I wouldn't argue Kirmond is better than Westwood as Westwood has proven himself at the highest level. I'm just basing it on raw ability I've seen of him in a Wakefield shirt, but as you say I may just be saying this because he looks outstanding next to very ordinary players.

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i think lukiest to be anywhere near the england squad....steve mcnamara. but thats for another discussion.

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