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Having read this thread so far I am a bit confused, Des Fox appears to be speaking on behalf of all the other 4 clubs in Hull yet wehave a representative on the thread from one of the clubs who appears unsure as to what the issue really is! clearly this issue has not being discussed in depth with all the clubs in Hull, I would suggest that the Hull clubs have a meeting of their own and decide what the actual issue is what they would like to pursue then go down the correct channels to achieve an outcome.

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Confused is the correct word bigtackle 2 clubs are now distancing them selves from this meeting and speaking to 2 myton youth coaches from different age groups last night they know nothing about it either we know that myton people are on this forum so maybe some one would like to share with us on this thread what the main subject of this meeting is or are we not invited to know just like the chairman and governing body of the ncl

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As covered numerous times. Nobody actually knows what the discussion is about. Quoting the future of the game is such a broad subject.

I agree spidey. "The future of amateur rugby" could range from the season we play in to the price of pie n peas in the club house. Im all for a debate but to call a meeting like this on a whim, without a set subject will surely just lead to a slanging match and I can not see a point to it. It will end up worse than some topics on this forum!!!

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it wouldn't be the first time a comment made on here by one member of a club and people take it as that's the whole view of the club, there will be difference of opinions in the same club and it all depends on who uses  the forum who gets there point across , lets not forget that a very small % of people involved in a club actually use are even know about this forum so its very difficult to gage a clubs views by the comments put on here, from what I have witness personally there isn't much support for summer rugby now they have had a sample , but the biggest % of people who do support summer just happen to be on the NCL committee which makes it difficult to get your point across,  

and for the agenda I think everyone would like to know what it is but I will take a guess  and would suggest it might be about the rapid decline of our sport which has been accelerated beyond  control over the last couple of seasons and the clubs may want to gauges if there is enough support to start a winter league of a good standard.

 

remember its good to talk,

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it wouldn't be the first time a comment made on here by one member of a club and people take it as that's the whole view of the club, there will be difference of opinions in the same club and it all depends on who uses  the forum who gets there point across , lets not forget that a very small % of people involved in a club actually use are even know about this forum so its very difficult to gage a clubs views by the comments put on here, from what I have witness personally there isn't much support for summer rugby now they have had a sample , but the biggest % of people who do support summer just happen to be on the NCL committee which makes it difficult to get your point across,  

and for the agenda I think everyone would like to know what it is but I will take a guess  and would suggest it might be about the rapid decline of our sport which has been accelerated beyond  control over the last couple of seasons and the clubs may want to gauges if there is enough support to start a winter league of a good standard.

 

remember its good to talk,

Yet again a pro winter person putting on how they witness not much support for sumer rugby, it gets boring anyone can put what they want on the forum.

 

Ill go on facts at the last NCL meeting no one brought up the debate about summer rugby, i actually believe we need a debate on it to see how things can improve and what is workign at some clubs may help others.Only Myton seem to have said they want to go back to winter maybe you can tell us wwhich other clubs have dont have support for summer rugby.

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Your quite right mate , the biggest problem being the biggest supporters of the move to summer do not want to admit to any of its failings and are not prepared to enter into a balanced debate .

I understand the frustration of many a volunteer who have gone into summer rugby with an open mind and now find the RFL spin as not materialised .

Yes do have a debate but that debate has to be with everyone involved with the NCL .

And if its the fear of Bullying tactics from any member of the NCL then that is simple to deal with vote them out any league is only as strong as its members .

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RUGBY LEAGUE STARTED WITH SOME BLOKES CHATTING IN A PUB

 

Well of course, so this route implies strong dissatisfaction with the current management and rules in place, as was the case in 1895. However, there's a big difference in that the current management want to engage with existing clubs rather than imposing unwanted and onerous restrictions on them.

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Yet again a pro winter person putting on how they witness not much support for sumer rugby, it gets boring anyone can put what they want on the forum.

 

Ill go on facts at the last NCL meeting no one brought up the debate about summer rugby, i actually believe we need a debate on it to see how things can improve and what is workign at some clubs may help others.Only Myton seem to have said they want to go back to winter maybe you can tell us wwhich other clubs have dont have support for summer rugby.

 

your right casyorkie, I have made it all up and all the games that are getting called off and all the players not turning up for games is just a horrible rumour, and all the good administrators who have and still walking away from the game and coaches who have posted on here there disapproval, its just one person with several email accounts. 

also I have herd Greg Dyke the chairman of the FA is Kicking himself that they didn't think to run there league in the middle of the holiday season.

 

is there any room in that sand pit?

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Your quite right mate , the biggest problem being the biggest supporters of the move to summer do not want to admit to any of its failings and are not prepared to enter into a balanced debate .

I understand the frustration of many a volunteer who have gone into summer rugby with an open mind and now find the RFL spin as not materialised .

Yes do have a debate but that debate has to be with everyone involved with the NCL .

And if its the fear of Bullying tactics from any member of the NCL then that is simple to deal with vote them out any league is only as strong as its members .

I am a big supporter of summer Rugby for the NCL but I also do see problems within the switch and these problems do need to be sorted out ASAP. The switch for our club as in general been good for the Open-age teams  not sure about the juniors but a disaster for the youth. I know it does not suit every club. Some of  the clubs outside the NCL and some within it. We do need a debate but a proper organised one with a agenda so clubs can have their fears answered in the correct manner. I can only see this meeting going one way and that is a slagging match between the supporters of summer and the supporters of winter other than that the supporters of summer will not attend. I also feel it we are to have a meeting each club should have the following members there, 2 officials, Club Captain, and Club Coach so we get a across the board opinion. my views at the age of 56 maybe different than the views of a 25 year old. 

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As covered numerous times. Nobody actually knows what the discussion is about. Quoting the future of the game is such a broad subject. Maybe if the organisers let have some indication on what the Hull clubs spoke about when they met we'd have a better idea and be more prepared for the meeting. People as assuming some discussion over when the season is played. But without an specific agenda or at least specific discussion points I doubt every club will take part

Maybe this is to test the water and will be the first of many meetings

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I cannot see any merit in a meeting of this sort. In my eyes the real purpose of this meeting is for Mr.Fox and a small minority of like minded people to pedal their propaganda to suit their own agenda with the aim of convincing a few others to form a splinter group to work against the NCL Management Committee.

In my opinion this is not the way a democratically run league should be acting. As others have stated there are ways and means of going about things and this stinks of skulduggery - especially by not inviting the management committee. I'm not saying that there isn't place for a debate but the clubs voted to commit to Summer RL for a minimum of 3 years - therefore surely a debate would surely be more sensible at the end of this period, with all parties including the management at the table.

I think attempting to shift the season back to winter so soon after moving to summer would be an unmitigated disaster and lead to the demise of the league as we know it.

Summer Rugby isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination but working together we can make it better and let's not forget the fact that neither was winter.

In my opinion it is here to stay and in the long run will only benefit the game at all levels.

"Skullduggery" So don't you think the RFL haven't used skulduggery in achieving the divide, It's also apparent which clubs have been singled out and benefitted the most from their policies and it's also reflected either side of the dividing line on here (NCL Committee)

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As previously mentioned Skirlaugh aren't a driving force behind this, from what I gather there is no motion to drive the club back to winter, 

 

It's disappointing if people are bypassing the correct channels, personally speaking if Myton are the driving force behind this it's from a barla perspective, I think the playing ability has outstripped the growth of the club there and the powers that be want a return to lower level Yorkshire League winter rugby,

 

Although it would be a shame to lose any clubs from the ncl it may happen, but they may regret returning to a league without minimum standards or the administration that is currently in place, 

I wonder who will not allow BARLA to operate a new National league (Think about it and ask why not if they are really about what's best for the AMATEUR game.

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Well of course, so this route implies strong dissatisfaction with the current management and rules in place, as was the case in 1895. However, there's a big difference in that the current management want to engage with existing clubs rather than imposing unwanted and onerous restrictions on them.

I take it you've read and understood the implications of the OR

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Having read this thread so far I am a bit confused, Des Fox appears to be speaking on behalf of all the other 4 clubs in Hull yet wehave a representative on the thread from one of the clubs who appears unsure as to what the issue really is! clearly this issue has not being discussed in depth with all the clubs in Hull, I would suggest that the Hull clubs have a meeting of their own and decide what the actual issue is what they would like to pursue then go down the correct channels to achieve an outcome.

This is just not a shot in the dark after waking up after a heavy night on the tiles (I've known about this for months and it's a lot bigger than just the 5 Hull clubs)

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OR?

I'm guessing he means onerous restrictions.

 

Well, the league has high standards for membership, is that what you mean?

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If the leading Amateur Clubs are going to sit down tomorrow night and discuss the future of our game then they need to do so in a democratic and inclusive way. If, as seems to be suggested, the debate is going to be led by a small group of people who have a particular agenda then we will all be wasting our time.

 

The time of the Summer v Winter debate has passed, I agree that for some moving to summer was a poor decision and if they are best served by reversing that decision then they should do so and move on.

 

As it stands now the RFL are cast as villains for trying to promote the Summer game and BARLA have damaged themselves irrevocably by castigating anything other than the traditional September to March season.

 

While we continue to rip ourselves apart over these issues, the RFU and other sports that benefit from central funding are laughing all the way to the bank. How can Sport England trust a sport that can’t even agree on how it wants to govern itself?

 

We are a sport in decline!

 

The selfish Super League clubs just want to rape the community clubs of all their playing assets whilst putting little back into the clubs that provide them with their most precious resource.

 

The RFL are drained of resources to support the community game through Sport England funding cuts, caused in the main by them not hitting their participation targets.

 

BARLA has made little attempt to move with the times and grasp its primary function of representing the amateur game, it sits chunnering in the corner of the room like the ghost of Christmas past.

 

Instead of coming together like the “Rugby League Family” we purport to be, we continue to squabble over every single issue that confronts us.  

 

So instead of facing up to the real issues that stop us moving forward, what do we do, we hold meetings in dark corners with no agenda and presentations from god knows who, just so a few clubs can drive their own personal agendas and scare a few others into following them.

 

And all the while the others in sports who want our players, our supporters and our share of the funding pot stand on the touchline rubbing their hands with glee!!

 

See you at Leigh tomorrow night!

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The way the move was done give clubs little option but to switch with the uncertainty of where else to play of a similar standard if you didn't move to summer,

If a number of clubs want to move back then so be it, lots of people who love the sport but cannot commit to put the same level of commitment in during the summer months should be allowed to have a discussion on the subject if that's what the meeting is about.

Let's not forget, it's the players who have voted with their feet that should be the main concern, not how much funding the RFL can draw down.

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Is funding the likes of Gateshead good value for money, the area is yet to produce a chain of players ready to play in the championship, in fact last season there were 14 hull based players in the squad on various occasions they have no benefit on the game up there. The 70k per season spent on the thunder could pay nearly 2k to each ncl club, I have no qualms with expansion but I think there are ways to go about it, the London Skolars are a example of how it should be done

 

This is no slate on Peterlee pumas who do a sterling job for the game with little or no funding

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Which clubs are bothering going tonight? I don't think we will be bothering as despite a few requests from clubs NO agenda or information regarding the presentation has been forthcoming.

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I will be going from St.Pats, it's only 10 mins down the road for me, but i agree i would have liked to see an agenda.

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If the leading Amateur Clubs are going to sit down tomorrow night and discuss the future of our game then they need to do so in a democratic and inclusive way. If, as seems to be suggested, the debate is going to be led by a small group of people who have a particular agenda then we will all be wasting our time.

 

The time of the Summer v Winter debate has passed, I agree that for some moving to summer was a poor decision and if they are best served by reversing that decision then they should do so and move on.

 

As it stands now the RFL are cast as villains for trying to promote the Summer game and BARLA have damaged themselves irrevocably by castigating anything other than the traditional September to March season.

 

While we continue to rip ourselves apart over these issues, the RFU and other sports that benefit from central funding are laughing all the way to the bank. How can Sport England trust a sport that can’t even agree on how it wants to govern itself?

 

We are a sport in decline!

 

The selfish Super League clubs just want to rape the community clubs of all their playing assets whilst putting little back into the clubs that provide them with their most precious resource.

 

The RFL are drained of resources to support the community game through Sport England funding cuts, caused in the main by them not hitting their participation targets.

 

BARLA has made little attempt to move with the times and grasp its primary function of representing the amateur game, it sits chunnering in the corner of the room like the ghost of Christmas past.

 

Instead of coming together like the “Rugby League Family” we purport to be, we continue to squabble over every single issue that confronts us.  

 

So instead of facing up to the real issues that stop us moving forward, what do we do, we hold meetings in dark corners with no agenda and presentations from god knows who, just so a few clubs can drive their own personal agendas and scare a few others into following them.

 

And all the while the others in sports who want our players, our supporters and our share of the funding pot stand on the touchline rubbing their hands with glee!!

 

See you at Leigh tomorrow night!

Have you taken notice, BARLA have their hands tied by the community board which is controlled by the RFL, Also read the rugby league press and if you don't find it, the Super League aren't completely happy with the RFL.

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