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Proposed SL and Championships 2015

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Put a hold on the excitement we all felt at the announcement of re-structuring, greedy SL clubs are about to kick us all in the teeth just for a change. The proposed meeting of Wednesday to sort it out has been shelved, as Wigan's chairman is evidently contacting the old boys' network to vote it down. They get double the voting rights you see, so they become 28 teams against 23 Championship clubs, so it only takes 12 SL clubs to stick together and the whole show is over. That said I can't see 2 clubs not voting for it, as the 2 likely bottom finishers won't want to sign their own death warrant will they? Greed, greed and more greed. I strongly urge the current championship clubs to form their own organisation and pull out of the Rugby Football League, (they hardly notice that we exist anyway) pick up their own sponsorships (thanks Kingstone Press and Northern Rail)seeing as SL don't actually have a contributing sponsor (ha ha Eddie Stobart)and take the Challenge Cup with them (it's not SL's trophy). What do we need to do to show these SL clubs that we are sick of their strutting and superiority?

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How long do you think we'd survive without SKY's money, and how much do you think Kingstone Press and Northern Rail pump into our sponsorship kitty???

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Championship clubs don't get that much from the sky funds and would survive without it. If a new governing body was formed for the good of the sport then the tv and sponsorship money for that could be split more equally. I'm not saying it would be an easy move but it is not impossible.

The RFL waste money on arranging these things only to be told what to do by Wigan and SL. That just doesn't happen in other sports. If the premiership (football) was locked off from the divisions below then you would see all teams losing fans as we have seen in the champ.

If championship clubs all got together and stood up for themselves and the sport I would get behind that and I'm sure most people would.

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I think one of the biggest issues with this is that clubs like Fev and Fax aspire to be in SL and would not be willing to cut ties with Red Hall as such a move would compromise this. Without the backing of the bigger clubs in The Championship it's difficult to see this gaining momentum.

In regards to Sky money I seem to remember the club getting an up front payment for a few years a couple of seasons ago. I can't remember the amount but I think it was quite significant.

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The whole sport bounces from one disaster to another.

I think this one may be the final straw depending on the outcome.

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There's a lot of dreamers posting on this thread.

 

Can we not just accept that sometimes decisions go against us but we don't need to take our proverbial bats home like spoilt kids ?

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There's a lot of dreamers posting on this thread.

Can we not just accept that sometimes decisions go against us but we don't need to take our proverbial bats home like spoilt kids ?

So you are happy with how the sport is run?

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No.  Neither am I happy with how the country is run.

 

But I accept that, in a democracy, you don't always get your own way.

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No.  Neither am I happy with how the country is run.

 

But I accept that, in a democracy, you don't always get your own way.

I'll ask the same question on here that I asked on the rams forum - why now ? We know several clubs are "flashing the cash", based on the promise/hope of a SL2 place in 2015. It now looks as though their ambitions are going to be as dented as their bank balances. Why did the SL "rebels" not voice their concerns when the proposed changes were mooted and before anybody decided to go for broke in 2014 ? I would like to know what these changes in funding would have been, and whether it would have impacted on the top clubs anyway. One thought that occurs to me is that, by scuppering the restructuring proposals, the top SL clubs will be able to continue to manipulate the divisive DR system with impunity.

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Interesting comments, so someone thinks that Fev and Halifax wouldn't want to slip out of the RFL noose in case of hurting their chances. Does that make them as greedy as the current SL clubs? Would that make them 'outsiders' to the rest of us then? If 2015's revamp doesn't take place, how happy are they going to be sticking in the same old swamp? Many have commented on Fev's building of such a large squad (at the moment, imagine that one or two may be made available later). Is that because they were later intending to be one of the big fishes who would form a DR with a lower club and make some of their players available to it? This isn't a swipe at Fev and their fans, just a maybe of the way things might hang.

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I'll ask the same question on here that I asked on the rams forum - why now ? We know several clubs are "flashing the cash", based on the promise/hope of a SL2 place in 2015. It now looks as though their ambitions are going to be as dented as their bank balances. Why did the SL "rebels" not voice their concerns when the proposed changes were mooted and before anybody decided to go for broke in 2014 ? I would like to know what these changes in funding would have been, and whether it would have impacted on the top clubs anyway. One thought that occurs to me is that, by scuppering the restructuring proposals, the top SL clubs will be able to continue to manipulate the divisive DR system with impunity.

 

I didn't realise that the whole restructuring proposals had been "scuppered".

 

I thought they'd just postponed a meeting.

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Interesting comments, so someone thinks that Fev and Halifax wouldn't want to slip out of the RFL noose in case of hurting their chances. Does that make them as greedy as the current SL clubs? Would that make them 'outsiders' to the rest of us then? If 2015's revamp doesn't take place, how happy are they going to be sticking in the same old swamp? Many have commented on Fev's building of such a large squad (at the moment, imagine that one or two may be made available later). Is that because they were later intending to be one of the big fishes who would form a DR with a lower club and make some of their players available to it? This isn't a swipe at Fev and their fans, just a maybe of the way things might hang.

 

So we're saying that we want restructuring so that Div 2 clubs can get into $uperleague but they're greedy if they actually want to do that ....

 

My head's hurting.

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I didn't realise that the whole restructuring proposals had been "scuppered".

 

I thought they'd just postponed a meeting.

 

Rhetorical debate is something that makes a message board interesting. If you don't like it you know where the exit is.

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But I accept that, in a democracy, you don't always get your own way.

 

...especially when all clubs are equal, but some are more equal than others, to paraphrase Mr Orwell.

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Interesting comments, so someone thinks that Fev and Halifax wouldn't want to slip out of the RFL noose in case of hurting their chances. Does that make them as greedy as the current SL clubs? Would that make them 'outsiders' to the rest of us then? If 2015's revamp doesn't take place, how happy are they going to be sticking in the same old swamp? Many have commented on Fev's building of such a large squad (at the moment, imagine that one or two may be made available later). Is that because they were later intending to be one of the big fishes who would form a DR with a lower club and make some of their players available to it? This isn't a swipe at Fev and their fans, just a maybe of the way things might hang.

 

 

It's easy to be altruistic and a steadfast supporter of the broader game when you aren't one of the successful clubs. I would respectfully suggest that if Batley were getting 5000 gates and likely to gain access to a higher division then the tune you would be whistling would be a different one.

 

Or maybe I'm just an old cynic?

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It's almost impossible to remain objective when dealing with proposals such as the ones in question.  I remember the old days when every club was in with a shout of winning the league (there only was one division).  I also remember the days of two proper divisions, when a club could earn promotion to join the big boys.  I know the game is very different today (sadly), but it's a ludicrous situation to invoke democracy as a justification for a system that has double votes for the haves and single votes for the have-nots.  Not much prospect of objectivity there either, is there?

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No.  Neither am I happy with how the country is run.

 

But I accept that, in a democracy, you don't always get your own way.

So you think the RFL is a democracy???

 

You must be delusional Griff or indeed very naive. Please tell me how the SL clubs' 2 votes to the Championship clubs 1 vote could be classed as a democracy????

 

Unless you are Robert Mugabe of course.

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Griff got spanked on the Fev forum so has now come over here

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I think all this is a prelude to a take over by the SL clubs of the RFL. They are already suggesting improved marketing and the SL players are said to be behind them. The SL clubs led by Wigan are in my opinion wanting to rule the roost. The Championship clubs will be nurseries only.

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Griff got spanked on the Fev forum so has now come over here

 

Another dreamer ...........

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It's easy to be altruistic and a steadfast supporter of the broader game when you aren't one of the successful clubs. I would respectfully suggest that if Batley were getting 5000 gates and likely to gain access to a higher division then the tune you would be whistling would be a different one.

 

Or maybe I'm just an old cynic?

 

Agree.

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If it were only true the the championship clubs were nurseries for SL!In the old days yes, top clubs would scout the lower teams for promising players but these days it's very rare, most of the movement is the other way. We all know that for the most part, when looking for a player to plug a particular gap, the cheque book comes out and the NRL is the big gainer, not the game here in this country. There is no transfer system as such now that players are on contracts and are free to move at the end for nothing. Yes, it's great to see the odd player move up to SL but there's no financial incentive to championship clubs to breed prospective SL players and certainly no benefit to the club when they've gone. A transfer fee for a decent player can mean the earth to a club and stop them having to exist on coppers, but with the current system more clubs will be finding it hard to keep their heads above water. After all, if SL teams, with all the financial incentives they have, are knocking on Red Hall's door, what chance do the likes of Hemel and Oxford have? Sorry that's probably a poor choice of example as I'm sure they're currently getting development aid etc, but you get my meaning.

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If it were only true the the championship clubs were nurseries for SL!In the old days yes, top clubs would scout the lower teams for promising players but these days it's very rare, most of the movement is the other way. We all know that for the most part, when looking for a player to plug a particular gap, the cheque book comes out and the NRL is the big gainer, not the game here in this country. There is no transfer system as such now that players are on contracts and are free to move at the end for nothing. Yes, it's great to see the odd player move up to SL but there's no financial incentive to championship clubs to breed prospective SL players and certainly no benefit to the club when they've gone. A transfer fee for a decent player can mean the earth to a club and stop them having to exist on coppers, but with the current system more clubs will be finding it hard to keep their heads above water. After all, if SL teams, with all the financial incentives they have, are knocking on Red Hall's door, what chance do the likes of Hemel and Oxford have? Sorry that's probably a poor choice of example as I'm sure they're currently getting development aid etc, but you get my meaning.

 

 

In general I would agree that the lower clubs get a poor deal from SL clubs for players that they have developed, yet on the other hand these clubs themselves have a woeful record in compensating amateur clubs for the players that they themselves cherry-pick, Plus ca change.................

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I can only speak from my own experience; in the mid-80's I was club secretary of a local amateur club and Batley took a player from us, and were quick to pay the required fee as laid down by BARLA at the time, but I suppose there may have been occasions as you suggest. However there's a vast difference between the costs involved running an amateur team out of a pub, and even the newest of professional clubs makes it more neccesary that the lower teams are treated with respect.

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There's a lot of dreamers posting on this thread.

 

Can we not just accept that sometimes decisions go against us but we don't need to take our proverbial bats home like spoilt kids ?

at least the RFL will tell us there will be no chance at all of getting promoted.....before the event.....rather than after it....like after our promotion back in 1995..

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