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Proposed SL and Championships 2015

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So you think the RFL is a democracy???

 

You must be delusional Griff or indeed very naive. Please tell me how the SL clubs' 2 votes to the Championship clubs 1 vote could be classed as a democracy????

 

 

The current voting system was voted in by clubs on a one club one vote basis.

 

Either way, whatever the voting system, sometimes it's not going to go your way.  As we've seen this week, there's a split between the $uperleague clubs pretty much down the middle.

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I didn't realise that the whole restructuring proposals had been "scuppered".

 

I thought they'd just postponed a meeting.

 

Sorry Griff - when I said scuppered, I really meant deferred - deferred until the SL rebels have persuaded the other SL chairmen that their best interests would be served by maintaining the status quo. With this in mind the restructuring will be as follows :

SL1 will be composed of the existing SL clubs with no change in funding, and none of that silly P ad R stuff.

SL2 will be composed of next years championship teams minus the relegated teams (but maybe with another French club) - Oh and no extra funding

The Championship will be composed of anybody that's left plus those who went fat rascals up in 2014 (could be a big division then).

 

Sorted.

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Sorry Griff - when I said scuppered, I really meant deferred - deferred until the SL rebels have persuaded the other SL chairmen that their best interests would be served by maintaining the status quo. With this in mind the restructuring will be as follows :

SL1 will be composed of the existing SL clubs with no change in funding, and none of that silly P ad R stuff.

SL2 will be composed of next years championship teams minus the relegated teams (but maybe with another French club) - Oh and no extra funding

The Championship will be composed of anybody that's left plus those who went fat rascals up in 2014 (could be a big division then).

 

Sorted.

 

 

You may be right GOR but the SL clubs are under pressure from Sky to introduce greater "jeopardy" into the competition. The 2015 season signals the end of the current franchising system which is rumoured to be about to be scrapped, and will probably be replaced with a one up, one down system, i.e. some risk, but not too much.

 

What is decided here will determine whether Koukash continues to support Salford, Hughes continues to support London etc. It may also cast a bit of a shadow on Featherstone's money men, who can tell. Whatever happens it will be messy and temporarily damaging to the sport as a whole.

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How do you think the Rams would fare in $uperleague ?

 

Despite the optimism of the chairman they wouldn't. Unless of course I win the £30 million euro lottery rollover, in which case we will at least have a decent team - Oh hang on, I'm not in it. Not being cynical, just realistic, and to be honest I don't think the better supported championship clubs will fare much better. Let's face it, if a club like Wigan has to flog off its ground to Tesco to avoid liquidation, and the well supported Bulls were (and possibly still are) staring down the barrel, then how are Fev, Fax and Leigh going to fare even with the help of a sugar daddy. Pie in the SKY.

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You may be right GOR but the SL clubs are under pressure from Sky to introduce greater "jeopardy" into the competition. The 2015 season signals the end of the current franchising system which is rumoured to be about to be scrapped, and will probably be replaced with a one up, one down system, i.e. some risk, but not too much.

 

What is decided here will determine whether Koukash continues to support Salford, Hughes continues to support London etc. It may also cast a bit of a shadow on Featherstone's money men, who can tell. Whatever happens it will be messy and temporarily damaging to the sport as a whole.

I think one up one down with a huge parachute payment to ensure the relegated club only spend a season in the championship would be acceptable to most SL clubs - and of course Catalan and London would have to be immune from the drop for the sake of expansionism. Can't think why they haven't thought about it before. :sclerosis:  :D

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The current voting system was voted in by clubs on a one club one vote basis.

 

Either way, whatever the voting system, sometimes it's not going to go your way.  As we've seen this week, there's a split between the $uperleague clubs pretty much down the middle.

Do you happen to know which clubs voted this in ?.....and basically created a superleague closed shop.....that no one can now undo ....

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Do you happen to know which clubs voted this in ?.....and basically created a superleague closed shop.....that no one can now undo ....

 

Hmmm, perhaps we should do the same to keep the likes of York and Hunslet from bothering us again :sclerosis:

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Do you happen to know which clubs voted this in ?.....and basically created a superleague closed shop.....that no one can now undo ....

 

No, it was a long time ago.

 

No one can undo ?  No one club can undo it - but then, they never could, could they ?  But get the required majority and anything can be changed.

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Despite the optimism of the chairman they wouldn't. Unless of course I win the £30 million euro lottery rollover, in which case we will at least have a decent team - Oh hang on, I'm not in it. Not being cynical, just realistic, and to be honest I don't think the better supported championship clubs will fare much better. Let's face it, if a club like Wigan has to flog off its ground to Tesco to avoid liquidation, and the well supported Bulls were (and possibly still are) staring down the barrel, then how are Fev, Fax and Leigh going to fare even with the help of a sugar daddy. Pie in the SKY.

 

Strange - many of us complain about not being able to get promoted to $uperleague, knowing full well that our clubs wouldn't be able to cope if they did.

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Strange - many of us complain about not being able to get promoted to $uperleague, knowing full well that our clubs wouldn't be able to cope if they did.

 

 

Some of us remember the last time our club (Dewsbury in this case) was in the top tier, pre-SL, and the unmitigated disaster that was. I would not want to see a repeat of that for any of the lesser clubs.

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SL clubs don't get double Championship clubs in the voting system, they get one vote plus a percentage vote to bring their number equal to the number of Championship clubs who get one vote. There are 14 SL clubs and 23 Championship so the SL clubs get the 9 votes difference divide between them as extra votes.

If all the SL clubs agreed with Lenegan it would only need one Championship club to vote with them and they would carry the day. That certainly puts a different slant on the "partnerships" that were being set up last season!!!

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SL clubs don't get double Championship clubs in the voting system, they get one vote plus a percentage vote to bring their number equal to the number of Championship clubs who get one vote. There are 14 SL clubs and 23 Championship so the SL clubs get the 9 votes difference divide between them as extra votes.If all the SL clubs agreed with Lenegan it would only need one Championship club to vote with them and they would carry the day. That certainly puts a different slant on the "partnerships" that were being set up last season!!!

Would they not need a 75% majority To carry the vote Keith? It's in the back of my mind somewhere that this is the case but I could well be wrong.

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James Colin - if only championship clubs were feeder/nursery clubs but these days that's rarely the case. There aren't many championship players who get the chance to step up these days. we've been lucky (or unlucky whichever way you look at it) to have provided Brown, Walmsley, Walton, Johnson a leg up, Hunslet to Yates, Swinton to Hill but I'm struggling to name any more. Aus, NZ PNG are all scoured first. Re finance to Championship clubs via Sky, it has been stated above that the amount is negigible, and thanks BT Sport, where's our coverage? You've looked after the Ra Ra boys and the Premier League. I do realise also that there is no money in Premier Sports coverage so where would the money come from to form a new organisation. It would be interesting to know how championship clubs are actually funded, other than their own boards' efforts and gate income. Anybody able to give a run-down of what they receive via RFL etc?

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James Colin - if only championship clubs were feeder/nursery clubs but these days that's rarely the case. There aren't many championship players who get the chance to step up these days. we've been lucky (or unlucky whichever way you look at it) to have provided Brown, Walmsley, Walton, Johnson a leg up, Hunslet to Yates, Swinton to Hill but I'm struggling to name any more. Aus, NZ PNG are all scoured first. Re finance to Championship clubs via Sky, it has been stated above that the amount is negigible, and thanks BT Sport, where's our coverage? You've looked after the Ra Ra boys and the Premier League. I do realise also that there is no money in Premier Sports coverage so where would the money come from to form a new organisation. It would be interesting to know how championship clubs are actually funded, other than their own boards' efforts and gate income. Anybody able to give a run-down of what they receive via RFL etc?

 

 

Good question. I too would be very interested in these details,

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I thought the monies from the RFL for 2014 was a total of £90k to each Championship club down from £100k

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I thought the monies from the RFL for 2014 was a total of £90k to each Championship club down from £100k

 

 

Plus money according to league position, progress in the CC, progress in the NRC................

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I thought the monies from the RFL for 2014 was a total of £90k to each Championship club down from £100k

Correct PM although the figure went down last season to £90k from £100k in 2012 and will remain at 90K for next few seasons (unless the proposed changes take place). I think the correct terminology is "Central Distribution Fund".

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Plus money according to league position, progress in the CC, progress in the NRC................

Yes but as a guaranteed up front payment it is £90k. Getting your hands on the rest is a gamble to spend more upfront.

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