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26/10/13: World Cup Game 1 - Australia v England

Who will win?   111 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Australia by 13 points or more
      44
    • Australia by 7 to 12 points
      18
    • Australia by 1 to 6 points
      3
    • Draw
      0
    • England by 1 to 6 points
      22
    • England by 7 to 12 points
      17
    • England by 13 points or more
      6

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So, it's game week. 

 

I for one am excited so thought it was time for a match thread.

 

My team selection (based on the squad) would be:

 

Tomkins

Charnley

Watkins

Cudjoe

Hall

Widdop

Sinfield

Graham

McIlorum

S Burgess

Hock

Westwood

O'Loughlin

 

Burrow

Hill

Mossop

G Burgess

 

I think this is an attacking team, lets worry them like the Kiwis have in the past. The Aussies have been known to bottle it when you play a non formulaic game, and I think this combination of aggressive big forwards plus some attacking three-quarters could do us a good job.

 

I expect that there will probably be around 6 differences to the above though.

 

I think McIlorum has earned his spot, whereas Roby has struggled with injury, the fewer players with injuries the better and there are already question marks over O'Loughlin, but imho he is worth the gamble.

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My team for the match:

 

Tomkins

Charnley

Watkins

Cudjoe

Hall

Widdop

Chase

Graham

McIlorum

Mossop

Burgess. S

Westwood

O'Loughlin

 

Roby

Hill

Burgess. G

Hock

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The good thing about the squad is that there could be a few changes to that and it wouldn't make the team weaker at all - just shows how much depth we have.

 

For me, definite to miss out are;

 

Farrell, Briscoe, Hardaker.

 

Which leaves your team above and T.Burgess, Chase, Ablett and Roby, all of which have a good case for being included.

 

T.Burgess - had a stormer against Samoa, has played extremely well in the games in the NRL.  Could be him instead of Mossop

Chase - Bit of an x-factor that Widdop isn't, but you can't leave Widdop out of the 17

Roby - In for either Burrow of McIlorum.  I think there will only be one recognised hooker in the team, wouldn't be displeased with either Mickey mac or Roby.  Burrow offers something different off the bench.

Ablett - maybe in for Cudjoe to provide counter to Inglis.

 

Any of these four, or the four they would replace could feel aggrieved to miss out - which is good.

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This is the guy who reffed England - Australia at Wembley in 2011. Awful ref.

He is a neutral Ref, who else should it be?

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He is a neutral Ref, who else should it be?

 

It has to be him or Monsieur Alibert. No real problem myself, anything other than a Aussie ref.

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He is a neutral Ref, who else should it be?

 

I do definitely prefer it t be a neutral ref, but I just remember our last experience with this ref. Think I would have preferred Alibert tbh.

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So, it's game week. 

 

I for one am excited so thought it was time for a match thread.

 

My team selection (based on the squad) would be:

 

Tomkins

Charnley

Watkins

Cudjoe

Hall

Widdop

Sinfield

Graham

McIlorum

S Burgess

Hock

Westwood

O'Loughlin

 

Burrow

Hill

Mossop

G Burgess

 

I think this is an attacking team, lets worry them like the Kiwis have in the past. The Aussies have been known to bottle it when you play a non formulaic game, and I think this combination of aggressive big forwards plus some attacking three-quarters could do us a good job.

 

I expect that there will probably be around 6 differences to the above though.

 

I think McIlorum has earned his spot, whereas Roby has struggled with injury, the fewer players with injuries the better and there are already question marks over O'Loughlin, but imho he is worth the gamble.

 

Is this the sensible discussion thread? If so, we may need a fist-pumping come on (!!!!!!!) thread later in the week when we get over this weekend's debacle.

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This is an interesting one. England should not go away from their plans but they need to be simple. To me the only rotation you do is to move Sinfield to 9 to spell Roby and bring Chase on as an impact player. Impact off the bench is key so I have put George B, Hock and Chase in there. My team would be very similar to what I had said previously.

 

1. Tomkins

2. Charnley

3. Watkins

4. Cudjoe

5. Hall

 

6. Widdop

7. Sinfield

 

8. Graham

9. Roby

10. Hill

11. Burgess S

12. Westwood

13. O'Loughlin

 

14. Chase

15. Burgess G

16. Hock

17.Mossop/Burgess T

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Apparently it has been mentioned on LU than Henry Perenara (NZ) is the referee for the first game.

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Surely this is Game 2 rather than Game 1?

 

Why, who's playing first? 

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The only way ablett can counter inglis is by locking him in the changeroom.

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Why, who's playing first? 

 

My mistake. I thought Wales were on first. As you were.

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Tomkins

Charnley

Watkins

Ablett

Hall

Widdop

Sinfield

Graham

Roby

Mossop

Burgess

Westwood

O'loughlin

Burrow

G Burgess

Hock

Hill

I like the idea of Burrow coming on to play a bit of dummy half or maybe sliding into the halves and moving Sinfield up to hooker, I seem to remember that happening before. Only concern might be a few players under a bit of an injury cloud. Got to remover this is only the first game too, we can't stake the whole tournament on whether England win this game, should be looking to build throughout like NZ do. For all the talk of how we need backs to counter the Aussies the real battle will really be in the forwards. These are forwards who know how to stand up for their clubs so they better do it on Saturday.

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Sam Tompkins

Josh Charnley

Kallum Watkins

Leroy Cudjoe

Ryan Hall

Gareth Widdop

Kevin Sinfield

James Graham

James Roby

George Burgess

Sam Burgess

Ben Westwood

Sean O'Loughlin

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1 - Tomkins

2 - Charnley

3 - Watkins

4 - Cudjoe

5 - Hall

6 - Widdop

7 - Sinfield

8 - Mossop

9 - Roby

10 - Hill

11 - S.Burgess

12 - Westwood

13 - O'Loughlin

 

14 - Chase

15 - J.Graham

16 - G.Burgess

17 - Hock

 

The first 15 minutes are just going to be a bash em competition with a lot of energy spent in the forwards - Hill and Mossop can hold their own in this department.  After 15 I would then bring on Gurgess and Graham to continue bashing holes for these two - Gurgess to continue bashing them, and Graham to do what he does best - take it to the line and either make yards or put Surgess/Westwood through holes.  After 25 minutes then bring on Hock for Westwood.

 

Graham will then play for the rest of the game, and probably give Sam a 10min breather just after half time.  We need our strongest defenders on the pitch between 55-65 minutes as this is when we tend to ship points

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We can definatley catch the Aussies out cold in this match, the only problem is that as the tournament goes on the Aussies start to build momentum and start to click. Hence all the English finals and third test heartbreak.

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The bookies (Paddy Power) have given England a 12 point start on the handicap which seems generous after having most recently lost by 22, 16, 20 and 30 points. For the most recent time we got within 12 points you have to go back to Oct-09 when we lost by 10 points at Wigan (ironically after perhaps the worst 40 minute performance of all these games when we got pasted out wide in the first half).

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We can definatley catch the Aussies out cold in this match, the only problem is that as the tournament goes on the Aussies start to build momentum and start to click. Hence all the English finals and third test heartbreak.

 

I do not think the Aussies are going to be complacent in this Tournament Walter.

England have a great team other than the Halves and perhaps Centres, without the link players and the strike players they may not capitalise on a Forward pack that holds its own.

England have to score more than they concede to win apparently.

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The bookies (Paddy Power) have given England a 12 point start on the handicap which seems generous after having most recently lost by 22, 16, 20 and 30 points. For the most recent time we got within 12 points you have to go back to Oct-09 when we lost by 10 points at Wigan (ironically after perhaps the worst 40 minute performance of all these games when we got pasted out wide in the first half).

I'd have thought that would be about right. Aussies are definately favourites but I think (or is it hope?) we have a better team than we did when we played them in 2011

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The bookies (Paddy Power) have given England a 12 point start on the handicap which seems generous after having most recently lost by 22, 16, 20 and 30 points. For the most recent time we got within 12 points you have to go back to Oct-09 when we lost by 10 points at Wigan (ironically after perhaps the worst 40 minute performance of all these games when we got pasted out wide in the first half).

 

Geez NW7 I'd almost forgotten about that one. They are like rainy days aren't they :D

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Geez NW7 I'd almost forgotten about that one. They are like rainy days aren't they :D

 

Ha I know, the memory of Lee Smith (playing right centre!) being skinned by Greg Inglis at will still haunts me, and I think Tom Briscoe was subbed off at half-time with Smith moved to the wing to try and halt the flow.

 

I think if England can get within the 12 point handicap it will be a good result for the tournament and show that we can pose a realistic threat to winning the trophy.

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Tomkins

Hall

Watkins

Cudjoe

Briscoe

Chase

Sinfield

G burgess

Mclorum

Mossop

Westwood

Burgess

Oloughlin

Roby

Hock

Graham

T burgess

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