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I think some people are seriously underrating Graham here. He's one of the world's best props and will be a big miss for us. I think Tom Burgess should be able to do a reasonable job, but he's certainly a level or two below Jammer.

Completely agree, after Tompkins and Sam Burgess he was my next definite in the starting 13. Canterbury player of the year, one of the best performing props in the NRL, respected or at least highly regarded by all in the Aus squad (apart from Slater perhaps he he) and bags of experience which is what this England squad lacks. He will be massively missed and his absents is a real dent to our chances of an upset. He's so passionate when he plays and can lift any team with a good carry, IMO there is no replacement prop who can fill his boots.

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James Graham is a pretty good player, but I'm not panicking over his ommission. Every time I've seen him play he looks as if he's running through wet cement in the latter stages.

I agree, I think he huffs and puffs too much without making large yards. I've not been overly impressed with his international performances, however someone's bound to tell me how good he's been in NRL this season? What worries me is we don't seem to have a better replacement.

* Oops, just seen above, didn't realise he was bulldogs player of the season. He'll probably be back for other two matches determined to make a statement hopefully. Rather than sulking.

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I agree, I think he huffs and puffs too much without making large yards. I've not been overly impressed with his international performances, however someone's bound to tell me how good he's been in NRL this season? What worries me is we don't seem to have a better replacement.

* Oops, just seen above, didn't realise he was bulldogs player of the season. He'll probably be back for other two matches determined to make a statement hopefully. Rather than sulking.

http://www.bulldogs.com.au/news-display/James-Graham-Named-Bulldogs-Player-of-the-Year/85773

 

you made me have to double check though!  ;)

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we had a huge health and safety dressing down today at work -200 guys pretending to respect one #####, the result was everyone walked away miserable, not wanting to do the job, team morale gone just waiting for the hooter---- the biggest ones to suffer this drinking thing will be the fans as usual, -the whole team can take to the field drunk as for me as long as they win I don't care

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I think McNamara was lucky he was dealing with this group of individuals, as we can reasonably cover for all of them, while making it clear reputations won't he enough to guarantee selection and asserting his authority. If the drinkers had been Hall, Sams T And B, Roby and Josh, we'd be in deep trouble.

Hill and Mossop are wonderful players. They can give us 60 hard, efficient minutes and Hill can offload very well. That leaves 40 minutes between 2 Burgesses. I am sure they can get through that.

In a way I hope the 17 picked seize their chance and the group that wanted to go on the lash rather than prepare reflect in their blazers at Old Trafford.

Seize the day boys - immortality awaits!

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"I am playing all the right players but not  necessarily in the right positions." ;)

 

tee hee very good Eric

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we had a huge health and safety dressing down today at work -200 guys pretending to respect one #####, the result was everyone walked away miserable, not wanting to do the job, team morale gone just waiting for the hooter---- the biggest ones to suffer this drinking thing will be the fans as usual, -the whole team can take to the field drunk as for me as long as they win I don't care

 

Great analysis and good example :locomotive: Really

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Stupid decision to leave Graham out. Simple fact, we need our best players out on the park.

 

I can see it now, battered by Australia, fail to make the final, and overall losers again.

 

Worry not, we can all then sit back and say, "But Steve Mac showed them who was boss"

 

Graham is a super player, and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.

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and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.

And not out drinking when they aren't supposed to be, or missing training sessions. That, more than anything McNamara is doing, is why they will continue to beat us.

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Stupid decision to leave Graham out. Simple fact, we need our best players out on the park.

 

I can see it now, battered by Australia, fail to make the final, and overall losers again.

 

Worry not, we can all then sit back and say, "But Steve Mac showed them who was boss"

 

Graham is a super player, and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.

So ill discipline should be part of a team environment.A similar thing happened when Tony Smith was in charge of the England set up and look what happened there.At least Mcnamara has got one thing right.Poor discipline isn't tolerated,no matter who the player is.

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Stupid decision to leave Graham out. Simple fact, we need our best players out on the park.

 

I can see it now, battered by Australia, fail to make the final, and overall losers again.

 

Worry not, we can all then sit back and say, "But Steve Mac showed them who was boss"

 

Graham is a super player, and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.

 

I don't think it is a case of McNamara showing them who is boss, more likely McNamara and the senior playing group.

 

The players had been told not to go on the drink.  The majority of players were professional, respecting their coach, each other and the aspirations of their country. Five of the squad showed no respect to what their team mates thought or how their actions would affect what the team is hoping to achieve.  

 

If I was a player missing out on an England shirt behind someone who had blatantly broken team rules, I'd be less than impressed.  This course of action had to be taken IMO.

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And not out drinking when they aren't supposed to be, or missing training sessions. That, more than anything McNamara is doing, is why they will continue to beat us.

OK good. So by your reckoning we should beat them this time.

 

I'm looking forward to it.

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Stupid decision to leave Graham out. Simple fact, we need our best players out on the park.

 

I can see it now, battered by Australia, fail to make the final, and overall losers again.

 

Worry not, we can all then sit back and say, "But Steve Mac showed them who was boss"

 

Graham is a super player, and the Australians must be sat in their hotel peeing in their tracksuits laughing at us.

While I agree that Graham is a super player, I don't agree that it was a stupid decision to leave him out and as a Saints fan I am a big fan of James Graham as a player. However, regardless of my respect for him as a player if he acted unprofessionally then he should know without a shadow of a doubt that just because he now plays for the NRL and indeed is a super player, he cannot disrespect the coach, the team or indeed the fans by picking and choosing which rules he abides by.  This is a team sport and the team must be as one.  If they are not then they don't deserve to be in the team, either permanently or on match day. 

 

We have the cover and now the inexperienced guys have their chance to make their mark.  Jammer might have lost his place for the rest of this tournament but assuming his absence is because of discipline issues (and we have no confirmation of that of course) then that is his own fault.  If others given their opportunity shine then us fans won't care who is on the pitch so long as they put in a fab performance and, preferably, beat everyone!

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OK good. So by your reckoning we should beat them this time.

I'm looking forward to it.

Where did I say that? Again, more rubbish that has nothing to do with the point. So which wum were you then.

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How do you know he hasn't? Maybe the players are just thick...

He quite obviously hasn't because around 20% of his squad were out on the beer!

IMO doing it now does more damage than it saves, he should have taken Hock & Co into a room and laid into them with the biggest verbal spray they'll ever receive and it should have been done behind closed doors with no publicity and no official statements.

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And not out drinking when they aren't supposed to be, or missing training sessions. That, more than anything McNamara is doing, is why they will continue to beat us.

 

yep, you mean there more professional approach... and I'm sure the Aussie public would expect no less.   As somebody else said if the players felt the need to relax over a drink following the Italy performance then they should have asked the manager if it would be OK and the rational why. You know the mature and professional approach - a grown up discussion.    Having said that why is the answer alcohol if the need to relax and get over a performance.... has to say something about the culture, mentality and emotional intelligence if that's the only thing they know...the answer to all issues -  turn to the alcohol.

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Well if alcohol isn't the answer, you've obviously asked the wrong question :)

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Well if alcohol isn't the answer, you've obviously asked the wrong question :)

chuckle....

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Every biography that I have read recently has stated that team bonding was lacking and that the only times they achieved anything was when they were allowed to relax. Everytime someone mentions stamping his authority, all that says to me is that Mcbannana has no authority.

It's ok being professional but it's rugby and if you feel no affinity with your team mate then your onto a loser.

It's not a club side it's an international team, they don't need to practice tackling, discipline and punctuality he should be concentrating on combinations, bonding and history of the shirt. I really hope I'm wrong but mcbannana is leading us to the biggest missed opportunity ever

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For those saying that Graham should still play despite breaking the no alcohol rule. Can they name me a successful coach in any sport who would have tolerated a player breaking a no alcohol rule?

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Its getting plenty of coverage Downunder.

 

YOU'VE got to love England. The Poms sure know how to serve up a scandal.

All year they have been building up this Rugby League World Cup as the global sporting event of 2013 - but in the countdown to the tournament kick off, early Sunday morning Australian time, the host nation is now on the verge of imploding.

While Australia's preparations have been faultless, England are in turmoil after Canterbury's star prop James Graham was sensationally left out of England's 19-man squad named to take on Australia in the tournament opener at Millennium Stadium.

Graham's omission follows coach Steve McNamara's dramatic decision to sack Gareth Hock for breaking a team booze ban and missing a recovery season in the wake of England's shock defeat to Italy last weekend.

Hock was furious that he was the only player sent home after claiming up to seven other players had also broken the no alcohol policy the team had put in place until after the Australian game.

Hock said the players went out to drown their sorrows after their humiliating loss to Italy last weekend but instead of it bonding them together it appears to have sunk their World Cup dream.

All week there has been a guessing game going on here about who else was out on the town with Hock but so far England's team management have refused to reveal the other players involved, although it is understood they have been disciplined.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/bulldogs-prop-james-graham-dropped-for-kangaroos-rugby-league-world-cup-opener/story-fndujljl-1226746421015

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I wonder if it is a ploy. Especially with lockers being left out (or was he out on the pop too?). We always bust our hides trying to beat the aussies in the group stages/round robin type things and then they smash us into next week in the knock out stages/finals.

 

So, do we show a bit of discipline, so what if we lose this (banking on coming secon in the group) and also rest a couple of the lads ready to be on top form in the knock outs?

 

Or maybe I am overthinking it.

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