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Kevin Sinfield

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As a long term Leeds fan i have been thinking over the Kev debate and am starting to see that he is the wrong man for the job, super league is a poor comparison for international RL; we wont win unless our halfbacks can take it to the line and ask serious questions.

Is there space for a ponderous player like Sinfield or should we pin our hopes on Chase and Widdop? Super league is slow enough for Sinfield but this looks a step too far, after watching RL for 30 years i only seem to remember beating the Aussies by attacking them from different angles not by entering into the arm wrestle.

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A few have, but that tends to be people trotting out the same line regardless of the performance or not  (or even if they have not watched the performance).

 

Sinfield had a good game and if you check the NRL player ratings he got an 8. So hardly seen as a poor performer in a losing side.

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A few have, but that tends to be people trotting out the same line regardless of the performance or not  (or even if they have not watched the performance).

 

Sinfield had a good game and if you check the NRL player ratings he got an 8. So hardly seen as a poor performer in a losing side.

He's solid but a match winner at this level?

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The lad play's to his abilities, sadly in the class of Australian players those credentials are not too high up the scale. Beggar to stats and whatever else, what you see is what you get and as seeing is believing, so they say, then what I have seen fromKS at this level of competition leaves me of the same frame of mind as Iangidds. 

 

No arguments over Saturdays performance from KS from me, he played his part, again to the best of his ability also, but that though commendable was nothing more than a workmanlike performance and nowhere close to the accolades that some heap on Kevin however he performs.

 

Not knocking him but, in International Rugby League KS is NOT at all a stand out performer, let alone a superstar, and that's a fact!!

 

PS; Wellsy, you cant really mean that, can you? I have along with a great many more done exactly that which you are denying has ever occured.

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PS; Wellsy, you cant really mean that, can you? I have along with a great many more done exactly that which you are denying has ever occured.

Whoooooosh!

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Can't knock Sinfield for effort but he just isn't an international half back. He doesn't have the pace or skill to open up defences & create something out of nothing.

The sad thing is Chase does have these qualities but for whatever reason never displays them. 

 

McBanana made a huge mistake in selecting Sinfield as captain as he has to then find somewhere to play him. He isn't a half back, he isn't a hooker and he isn't the best LF in the squad

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Can't knock Sinfield for effort but he just isn't an international half back. He doesn't have the pace or skill to open up defences & create something out of nothing.

The sad thing is Chase does have these qualities but for whatever reason never displays them.

McBanana made a huge mistake in selecting Sinfield as captain as he has to then find somewhere to play him. He isn't a half back, he isn't a hooker and he isn't the best LF in the squad

But he's the captain if the most successful team so he must be good!...

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Can't knock Sinfield for effort but he just isn't an international half back. He doesn't have the pace or skill to open up defences & create something out of nothing.

The sad thing is Chase does have these qualities but for whatever reason never displays them. 

 

McBanana made a huge mistake in selecting Sinfield as captain as he has to then find somewhere to play him. He isn't a half back, he isn't a hooker and he isn't the best LF in the squad

 

This is bang on. McNamara should not have made Sinfield captain as he is now playing him in front of better players. For me, Sinfield does not have a place in the England squad.

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While there are undoubtably better halves that are England qualified (one is playing tonight), I think we disregard Sinfields leadership, organisational and kicking ability at our peril.  I rather him be in the team than not.  I quite liked him at 9 in the Exiles game.

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While there are undoubtably better halves that are England qualified (one is playing tonight), I think we disregard Sinfields leadership, organisational and kicking ability at our peril.  I rather him be in the team than not.  I quite liked him at 9 in the Exiles game.

 

If you have him at 9 you leave Roby out. Roby was our best player against Aus!! There are many players in the England side capable of organising and leading the team.

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This is bang on. McNamara should not have made Sinfield captain as he is now playing him in front of better players. For me, Sinfield does not have a place in the England squad.

Wally that is tantamount to Blasphemy,

 

Seriously though, it looks as though the consensus of opinion on here regarding KS worth in the team is 30% for and 70% against, whilst I consider that many posters on here may have never been near a ball in anger or had the pleasure of coaching (I am probably going to get lynched for that assumption) we have a perspective and judgement most likely brought about by many years of experience in watching, debating and acquiring a great deal of knowledge of TGG, that is presumably why we post on here.

 

I know the saying re: committee's and racehorses etc and the buck stops with Steve Mac, but surely the majority can't be wrong ....................................................... Can they?     

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Wally that is tantamount to Blasphemy,

Seriously though, it looks as though the consensus of opinion on here regarding KS worth in the team is 30% for and 70% against, whilst I consider that many posters on here may have never been near a ball in anger or had the pleasure of coaching (I am probably going to get lynched for that assumption) we have a perspective and judgement most likely brought about by many years of experience in watching, debating and acquiring a great deal of knowledge of TGG, that is presumably why we post on here.

I know the saying re: committee's and racehorses etc and the buck stops with Steve Mac, but surely the majority can't be wrong ....................................................... Can they?

Not sure where you get 70 30 split but... That doesn't mean the majority agree with you at all, at best it means the majority on here agree with you.

5 separate England coaches disagree with you though.

If you think a few fans on a message board are right and 5 England coaches, several club coaches including 3 who've won GFs, many current SL and international players are in the minority and are wrong, then fill your boots.

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Sinfield is a fine player, its a shame he is not a little bigger to be a Lock or started his career at Hooker.

He has a good all round game but he lacks the pace or spark to worry top Test Nations and keep them in two minds in the position he plays.

The best Halves especially Stand Offs need to be able to run the ball or distribute the ball, the best run the ball and take on the line with pace and feed their outside backs after drawing in a couple of defenders to set up and overlap.

 

A running  Stand off that takes a team on and keeps them in two minds offers much more in breaking a defensive structure down than a player that distributes the ball without offering a threat of his own, Lockyer as great as he was suffered from this late in his career when his pace over more than 20 metres was gone.

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For the Irish game I would put Sinfield at 13, start with Widdop and chase and keep them there all game, burrow on the bench to spell MM or Roby.

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For the Irish game I would put Sinfield at 13, start with Widdop and chase and keep them there all game, burrow on the bench to spell MM or Roby.

 

Where would you play O'Loughlin if fit then. O'Loughlin is imo the best 13 in the country and should not be left out the team to accommodate a lesser player.

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Can O'Loughlin  play second row and take Burgess spot?

Can Sinfield play Second Row?

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Where would you play O'Loughlin if fit then. O'Loughlin is imo the best 13 in the country and should not be left out the team to accommodate a lesser player.

I've heard he's not fit, if he is, I'd stick with Sinfield at 7 and maybe being Widdop in instead of chase.

Sinfield isn't a lesser player he's a different player but I would put OL in front of him at 13

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Can O'Loughlin play second row and take Burgess spot?

Can Sinfield play Second Row?

Sinfield at second row IS madness, if OL is fit leave Sinfield in the halves where he's played for 3 years.

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Sinfield at second row IS madness, if OL is fit leave Subfiekd in the halves where he's played for 3 years.

I was just asking, many Locks and Second rowers play a similar game if the are tackling machines.

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You would think if you are going to try different Halves this game would be the perfect opportunity.

The fact that England does not have settled Halves, the most important positions on the field speaks volumes.

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You would think if you are going to try different Halves this game would be the perfect opportunity.

The fact that England does not have settled Halves, the most important positions on the field speaks volumes.

They have got settled halves it's just some people on here don't like them.

Sinfield and chase have been the halves for 3 years, and they halvent performed half as bad as some people on here would have you believe.

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They have got settled halves it's just some people on here don't like them.

Sinfield and chase have been the halves for 3 years, and they halvent performed half as bad as some people on here would have you believe.

Why is Widdop on the Bench then?

What spot is he covering?

Its like the Coach is having a 50/50 bet if Sinfield is not working out.

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Why is Widdop on the Bench then?

What spot is he covering?

Its like the Coach is having a 50/50 bet if Sinfield is not working out.

Widdop when fit has been on the bench for the last 3 years too. it's nothing of the sort, that's just the way the coach has played the halfback roles, now fair enough people can disagree but to say it hasn't been settled IMO isn't correct.

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Why is Widdop on the Bench then?

What spot is he covering?

Its like the Coach is having a 50/50 bet if Sinfield is not working out.

 

Because the coach has made Sinfield captain and has to play him somewhere.

 

IMO Widdop should be Stand Off but isn't due to Sinfield having to play.

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