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IS RUGBY LEAGUE TOO HONEST

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Is rugby league too honest when it comes to crowd figures, we know fans are to the point of being OCD when talking about all aspects of crowds. But the game reports actual attendees as figures when all other major sports usually use tickets sold (including walk up fans were applicable) as their figure.

The case in point is evident at premier league and RU matches were empty seats are on show but are recorded as part of the total because the seat was sold.

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As a game we are not savy, at the end of the international games a player from the actual country should be nominated for the interview. It would give the impression that the team is full of natives and not just heritage players.

The next time England play on the BBC they should have Alibert as the VR, his French accent will look/sound good.

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IMO RL is too honest for its own good a lot of the time. It's all very well 'telling it like it is' but you don't turn up for a job interview in an old vest and say 'this is me, like it or lump it'.

You should wear a new vest. ;)

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Is rugby league too honest when it comes to crowd figures, we know fans are to the point of being OCD when talking about all aspects of crowds. But the game reports actual attendees as figures when all other major sports usually use tickets sold (including walk up fans were applicable) as their figure.

The case in point is evident at premier league and RU matches were empty seats are on show but are recorded as part of the total because the seat was sold.

 

We already declare ticket sales rather than bodies.

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If a tickets been sold and they don't turn up you can't sell it again. Can't think of a reason why you wouldn't announce the tickets sold number

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If you see league games some clubs have bigger season ticket sales than crowd figures

recorded and they include walk ups, this happens at most superleague clubs. the NZ Samoa showed less than the sales,

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too honest, yes I think so. In this day and age news management is everything. Its not really a question of lying but of ensuring you make sure the version of the truth that gets out is the one that best suites your needs and objectives. :rolleyes:

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If you see league games some clubs have bigger season ticket sales than crowd figures

recorded and they include walk ups, this happens at most superleague clubs. the NZ Samoa showed less than the sales,

 

Examples?

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both warrington and widnes have done this Bradford sold 10000 tickets in the deal season and with walk ups and away fans the totals were around the season ticket sales alone and this is wide spread.

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Wikipedia says RLWC 2013 has attracted 120,000 fans to the first 5 games. That's dishonest IMO.

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If a tickets been sold and they don't turn up you can't sell it again. Can't think of a reason why you wouldn't announce the tickets sold number

But what if a ticket is given away as a freebie and the recipient was not bothered ?

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Wikipedia says RLWC 2013 has attracted 120,000 fans to the first 5 games. That's dishonest IMO.

Screw honesty, we have a fantastic product - use any statistic that we can find to emphasise that and gain positive headlines

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Wikipedia says RLWC 2013 has attracted 120,000 fans to the first 5 games. That's dishonest IMO.

Wikipedia, the bastion of factual accuracy.

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As a game we are not savy, at the end of the international games a player from the actual country should be nominated for the interview. It would give the impression that the team is full of natives and not just heritage players.

The next time England play on the BBC they should have Alibert as the VR, his French accent will look/sound good.

 

I would agree with this. I've felt your frustration a few times over the course of the competition but didn't want to bring it up in a thread simply because the world cup has been awesome so far and the widespread positivity makes a nice change.

 

But I do feel that interviewing players with a Yorkshire/Lancashire/Australian accent time and time again isn't exactly going to give people a great impression, in spite of the quality of the games.

 

Then again if coaches, captains and MOTM winners have said accents what are you going to do - ignore them completely?

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apart from being honest or not being honest we need to hype games a lot better to often we get the usual thing "we will turn up and the best team will win" kind of stuff.

how about "we owe this lot one and we are gonna kick their *****".

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I would agree with this. I've felt your frustration a few times over the course of the competition but didn't want to bring it up in a thread simply because the world cup has been awesome so far and the widespread positivity makes a nice change.

 

But I do feel that interviewing players with a Yorkshire/Lancashire/Australian accent time and time again isn't exactly going to give people a great impression, in spite of the quality of the games.

 

Then again if coaches, captains and MOTM winners have said accents what are you going to do - ignore them completely?

Denmark have some heritage players playing for them (that helped set the sport up there), but always make sure there's a blonde haired, blue eyed young Dane involved with interviews etc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VassxJ-JSHY

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both warrington and widnes have done this Bradford sold 10000 tickets in the deal season and with walk ups and away fans the totals were around the season ticket sales alone and this is wide spread.

 

You saying they have done it isn't really an example.

 

I've been out for a morning stroll on Mars.

 

Give figures for the exact numbers of season tickets and provide figures for the actual games. 

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As a game we are not savy, at the end of the international games a player from the actual country should be nominated for the interview. It would give the impression that the team is full of natives and not just heritage players.

The next time England play on the BBC they should have Alibert as the VR, his French accent will look/sound good.

Definitely need Thierry "Which Button is Non Essai?" Alibert but not the BBC- better on Comedy Central!

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As a game we are not savy, at the end of the international games a player from the actual country should be nominated for the interview. It would give the impression that the team is full of natives and not just heritage players.

The next time England play on the BBC they should have Alibert as the VR, his French accent will look/sound good.

 

Quite right. You accentuate the positives - a simple nuance which the "controllers" of the game (media, governing bodies or otherwise) seem oblivious to.

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You saying they have done it isn't really an example.

 

I've been out for a morning stroll on Mars.

 

Give figures for the exact numbers of season tickets and provide figures for the actual games. 

It certainly was the case at Bradford during the cheap ticket years. I don't know for sure but if you see a crowd enough times someone can take an educated guess at the attendance (or at least tell the difference between a low "10,000" and a high "10,000").

 

As for the second line, you could say you were called Peter (name chosen at random!). No-one would really doubt that, unless you happened to conflict that. There's evidence and taking information in good faith.

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Wikipedia says RLWC 2013 has attracted 120,000 fans to the first 5 games. That's dishonest IMO.

 

 

thats cos someone as counted the opening game has having two 45,000 attandances 

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It's like this IMO...

We have a WC coming up, and some journalists get a chance to write an article. What sort of headline does it generate? 'Cup could provide tonic for game in crisis'...

Now, given that it is a WC, what possible relevance is internal club wrangling to it? Do we not spend all year talking about crises and lack of money etc etc? Why not just have a break from such talk for once?

It's not about lying or spin, its just about putting your best foot forward sometimes and not washing every single item of dirty laundry in public.

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I can't see any reason to announce attendances at all.  It's like Tesco announcing how many folk come through their doors.

 

Nobody's business but that of the folk managing the game.

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Look at how the IRB recorded the 1987 RUWC attendances. They didn't give a stuff just rounded two thirds of them up to the stadium capacity. Anyone who watched this tournament would know that was a lie and nearly all games up to the SF and final had attendances well below capacity. Who cares it gave them a 600k tournament aggregate.

 

http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/team/highest_attendance.html?id=1054;type=tournament

 

 

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thats cos someone as counted the opening game has having two 45,000 attandances 

 

How else are you going to record two crowds of 45,000?

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