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Martyn Sadler

BBC Head of Sport

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Mascot Wars- brilliant idea- just don't let Sky make it pay per view. Worth at least 0.3pence on my licence fee!

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They get better overall viewing figures than Sky channels, including Sky Sport....  Miles more...

 

 they do not inject anywhere near the money into the game. The Sky deal is something like £90 million over five years, I think.  Put regular games on free to air and paid attendances will plummet as fans watch at home for nothing...liek they do when cup games are on BBC. 

 

Anyway, C4 is hardly pulling them in for their flagship sports such as Royal Ascot

 

Friday's peak viewing figure of 900,000 – versus 1.7m for the same day on the BBC last year – seems particularly poor.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2013/jun/23/royal-ascot-tv-channel-4

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 they do not inject anywhere near the money into the game. The Sky deal is something like £90 million over five years, I think.  Put regular games on free to air and paid attendances will plummet as fans watch at home for nothing...liek they do when cup games are on BBC. 

 

Anyway, C4 is hardly pulling them in for their flagship sports such as Royal Ascot

 

Friday's peak viewing figure of 900,000 – versus 1.7m for the same day on the BBC last year – seems particularly poor.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2013/jun/23/royal-ascot-tv-channel-4

 

Those that are interested in Royal Ascot won't know that channels other than the BBC exist.

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I wish I'd seen this earlier. 

 

Fear of plummeting attendances is what delayed live coverage of RL games in Australia during the late 1950s when TV first came here. In hindsight, it appears TV coverage glamourised the product, opened it up to newer audiences and increased the popularity of the game before subscription TV came here in the late 1990s. But no Free TV channel can compete with the pockets of Sky. As someone above said, an extended highlights show on Free TV complemented by exclusive match broadcasts would be the preferred model if BBC or ITV or 4 or 5 cannot beat Sky's money.

 

I look forward to reading the article, Martyn.

 

No surprises that BBC broadcaster was defensive. They would be well aware of the gripes of RL fans.

 

I don't mind that BBC personalities sometimes put the boot in. That's an unfortunate side effect of having pluralistic views in the media which I value a great deal.

 

The big issue RL is treated shabbily for a product with the audiences it commands. The biggest examples are the SL Show timeslot and its near absence in sports bulletins bulletins. And why does a domestic RU match or a county cricket game with fewer attendees and TV viewers command a more prominent position in news bulletins and/or websites? Sure we're not soccer, but Saturday afternoon's results shows the interest is there and that the BBC is could be accused of being out of touch. But she would've hated that!

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Why is there no highlights programme ?

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Barbara was very keen to promote the idea that the BBC is doing a great deal for Rugby League fans over the various platforms, which is certainly true, by and large, if you are prepared to search for them.

 

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Sounds like the call was set up purely to gain some quotes from people in the sport to highlight the quality of the BBC's service. With that agenda pre-determined by the Beeb, discussions on any other subject were never going to be covered.

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The BBC are doing a wonderful job for Rugby League, and that's official!

 

Telephone interviews with BBC officials are of limited use, I must say, with a minder listening to what her boss has to say and chivvying you along in your allotted time. I can't imagine needing a minder myself.

 

Barbara was very keen to promote the idea that the BBC is doing a great deal for Rugby League fans over the various platforms, which is certainly true, by and large, if you are prepared to search for them.

 

I was more anxious to explore why the BBC was only covering England of the Home Nations with its live coverage, other than last Saturday's Wales game, and whether she thought with hindsight that the contract could have been extended to include more games of Scotland and Wales in particular and more quarter-finals. But she didn't seem keen to talk about that.

 

I also asked her about the move to Salford and its impact on BBC staff generally in relation to their attitude to Rugby League, but they used to love the game even when they were based in London.

 

She was rather too defensive about the BBC's coverage, which was unnecessary when speaking to me. I would much rather sit down with her and speak face to face to have a genuine conversation. I'm sure there is a very good interview waiting to be done with her.

 

So you interviewed the PR department, mouthpieced by some corporate who hasn't a clue.

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Just to add, if all games were live on terrestrial then gates would be way lower than they are imho

Very true....

There is nothing increases demand like lack of avaliability.

In 2000 sky and bbc  went into overkill coverage.

Result was empty stadia and it and nearly bankrupted the RL.

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 they do not inject anywhere near the money into the game. The Sky deal is something like £90 million over five years, I think.  Put regular games on free to air and paid attendances will plummet as fans watch at home for nothing...liek they do when cup games are on BBC. 

 

Anyway, C4 is hardly pulling them in for their flagship sports such as Royal Ascot

 

Friday's peak viewing figure of 900,000 – versus 1.7m for the same day on the BBC last year – seems particularly poor.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2013/jun/23/royal-ascot-tv-channel-4

 

That's a different point, I was responding to the point made that they don't have many watching the channel, not whether it was a good deal or valuable deal   BBC are normally top of the viewers figures but channel 4 are normally around the 4th with 5% of the viewing public with channel 5 5th at 4% ish... behind BBC, BBC2 and ITV in that order.

 

As to whether they would be interested or how much could be agreed is a completely different matter.   No doubts SKY provides essential income but it isn't a super viewing channel in general.

 

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Why don't Championship clubs ever get a mention on Look North? Even the big local derbies don't get a look in! 

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I wish I had seen this thread earlier.  I have been having an e-mail exchange with BBC Wales. My questions have been:

re: world cup - why are Wales games not being shown live on BBC Wales - Wales are co-hosts and Welsh RL fans pay their licence fees too.

re: North Wales Crusaders; why do we not even get our results read out on BBC Wales sports bulletin. Why send a reporter to NWCru  v SW Scorpions yet post no report of the first game of (semi) professional rugby league between two Welsh clubs in 103 years.  Why no mention of NW Crusaders winning the Northern Rail Bowl and Championship 1?

 

The replies I have received are cut and paste corporate bull.

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