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"I can't resist the opportunity to mention the fact that the many fans, regular or new, watching the World Cup matches over the next five weeks will note that the numbers on the back of all the jerseys will initially be numbered 1 to 13.

 

"Yes, the traditional numbering system for rugby league, the numbering system used by the biggest league in the world, the NRL, and by international teams.

 

"Easy for recognition of players and easy for recognition of positional play.

 

Ray French, League Weekly, 28 October 2013.

 

Well, I take issue with Ray, there.  Nice for him to be sitting in the commentary box, sussling tea, whilst perusing his team sheet which some kind soul has typed out after gleaning all the details from the dressing room doors.

 

We lesser mortals have to listen to tannoy announcements, jotting down notes whilst some latecomer squeezes past, teeming his ale over us.

 

Up till now, I haven't had much of a preference between squad and traditional numbers.  Either was fine.  But there are so many unfamiliar names and unfamiliar faces at the World Cup that I now definitely prefer squad numbers.  I'm more interested in who the bloke at number seven is, rather than what position he's playing - but maybe that's just me.  I can work out what position he's playing by watching the game.  I'm surprised that Ray needs that numbering system but he seems to.

 

Finally, from Ray again .....

 

I can hear the words now from a player when asked by his grandchild at some time in the future, "And what number were you, granddad?"

 

"Oh, I was no.32 when I played at Leeds, then I was No.26 when I joined Bradford, and then I was No.19 at Huddersfield."

 

Enough said.

 

Enough, indeed.  Because, of course, Ray, you always wore the same number, didn't you ?

 

Oh - and anyone remember what numbers touring teams used to wear ?  Chuck Hardisty at 11 ?

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I'm with you Griff. Individual numbers for individual players. Many of them switch positions during a game anyway.

 

You can argue who was the best prop the Bulls have had, but Stuart Fielden was definitely our best Number 29.

;)

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I much prefer squad numbers. It's easier to remember who is who across the season than having to remember new ones every game.

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You can argue who was the best prop the Bulls have had, but Stuart Fielden was definitely our best Number 29.

;)

 

:laugh:

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I much prefer squad numbers. It's easier to remember who is who across the season than having to remember new ones every game.

 

The biggest issue for me is communication.  Even if you've got a pen and paper handy, it's hard to jot down all those unfamiliar, mispronounced names when they're read out at a brisk pace.  Even watching it at home on TV.

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i'm with Frenchy on this one. As a marketing tool in football it definitely sells jerseys in volume but in League?

 

It always intrigued me about the domestic numbering in Australia with props numbered 11 and 13(iirc?) and when they went to international numbering , ie our domestic numbering ,it gave us a chance to immediately contrast and compare players.

 

Anybody not aware of the sport would struggle to see any semblence of team shape with squad numbering and when teams form defensive scrums with the backs going into the pack it makes it look to the unititated a jack of all trades sport where it is in fact very specialized.

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The shirt numbers is not as important to me as having the player's name written on the back.

 

Not with my eyesight.

 

Though, I can usually spot when  Leeds players are offside ... obviously for a full forty minutes. Their other forty minutes are spent giving forward passes and being dirty.

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Perhaps it's been done for fans unfamiliar with RL, and so position numbers would be easier for them to follow?
 

Just a thought.

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Squad numbers are a marketing tool.

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Perhaps it's been done for fans unfamiliar with RL, and so position numbers would be easier for them to follow?

 

Just a thought.

but positions aren't rigid

half back/hooker/loose forward /stand off are interchangeable, almost anyone can and does join a scrum as and when needed.

IMHO all what matters is that you can read the numbers clearly so that identifying the players is easy.

 

Rugby League is a complex game, but it isn't arcane and it is fluid. Putting a player in a pigeon hole doesn't, I feel help newcomers to the game at all.

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Squad numbers are a marketing tool.

certainly a better marketing tool than the outdated positional numbers.

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Ray French has carped on about this since 1996 at every opportunity. Does my chuffin head in he does..

 

Never rated him as a commentator and never will - decades of perfectly presenting the game just how the BBC wanted it..

 

Low point being - partnered with Alex Murphy and the "likkle chip over the top" - dear god...

 

Wish he would disappear up his own ######.

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Squad numbers are a marketing tool.

 

Are they ?  Do you know anyone who buys more than one jersey ?

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but positions aren't rigid

half back/hooker/loose forward /stand off are interchangeable, almost anyone can and does join a scrum as and when needed.

IMHO all what matters is that you can read the numbers clearly so that identifying the players is easy.

 

Rugby League is a complex game, but it isn't arcane and it is fluid. Putting a player in a pigeon hole doesn't, I feel help newcomers to the game at all.

 

Yeah. It was just a thought. I think there is a difference between a year long domestic comp. and a one-off international tourney. Would the organisers/media have been able to promote 336 players from 14 countries by their squad number? Perhaps.

 

The name on the back helps.

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Perhaps it's been done for fans unfamiliar with RL, and so position numbers would be easier for them to follow?

 

 

If I'm unfamiliar with a game, do I care about the technicalities or do I just want to watch the spectacle ?

 

If I'm watching Aussie Rules, do  I need to know what a rover does ?  Fetches sticks ?  Chews bones ?

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If I'm unfamiliar with a game, do I care about the technicalities or do I just want to watch the spectacle ?

 

If I'm watching Aussie Rules, do  I need to know what a rover does ?  Fetches sticks ?  Chews bones ?

 

You've lost me. Your point is RL positions are irrelevant? Uninteresting for the casual viewer?

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Yeah. It was just a thought. I think there is a difference between a year long domestic comp. and a one-off international tourney. Would the organisers/media have been able to promote 336 players from 14 countries by their squad number? Perhaps.

 

The name on the back helps.

dunno mate

perhaps ptomoting people by their numbers in this tournament

Sam Tomkins is Sam Tomkin and that's how an increasingly large number of people know hims, the Burgess  Brothers come as a package, Billy Slater will undoubtedly show himself to be the superstar he is as the tournament progresses and so in. Theirs and all  the other players who will no doubt for one reason or another rise to promience will do so by theior actions and their personalities: their shirt numbers are irrelevant

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You've lost me. Your point is RL positions are irrelevant? Uninteresting for the casual viewer?

I agree with Griff

what will be memorable tothe  new, and or casual viewer will be the acts of skill, bravery and derring do of groupss or individuals.

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I agree with Griff

what will be memorable tothe  new, and or casual viewer will be the acts of skill, bravery and derring do of groupss or individuals.

 

Yes yes of course. The thread was about 1 to 13 or squad numbers though.

 

Perhaps squad numbers could've been marketed. Dunno.

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I just want to know who's laiking, Mark.

 

Very difficult when you're actually at the game, especially if you're at the back of a huge stadium that makes Don Valley look cosy.  Names on the backs are fine, but they're more for TV than any use when you're at the game.  I just wear glasses, not high powered binoculars. 

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I just want to know who's laiking, Mark.

 

Very difficult when you're actually at the game, especially if you're at the back of a huge stadium that makes Don Valley look cosy.  Names on the backs are fine, but they're more for TV than any use when you're at the game.  I just wear glasses, not high powered binoculars. 

 

Sure. ATEOTD if you don't know the player, you don't know the player, regardless of whether he's wearing no.3 or 17. Either way, you need a squad list or teamsheet. Neither system will help you with your problem.

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Sure. ATEOTD if you don't know the player, you don't know the player, regardless of whether he's wearing no.3 or 17. Either way, you need a squad list or teamsheet. Neither system will help you with your problem.

 

Don't see that, Mark.  I could watch two teams of players I've never seen, like the way one plays, see he's wearing 11 - no idea who he might be under 1-13.

 

With the squad system, I can look up his squad number in the programme.

 

I'll give you an example - it was 15 mins into Monday's game before I realised Aaron Groom was playing scrum half for Fiji - and I know him personally!!

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I much prefer positional numbering, I have to say.  I can sometimes go a whole match and I haven't worked out where number 17 is playing.

 

I have never really bought into the marketing issue.  If you buy a shirt and put Sam Tomkins 1 on it, who cares if one week he fills in at stand off?  Just put your preferred or their usual position on it.*

 

*These are just my opinions.

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I much prefer positional numbering, I have to say.  I can sometimes go a whole match and I haven't worked out where number 17 is playing.

 

 

 

Does it matter ?  I've never really bought into the need for your average bloke on the terrace  to know what position a player is supposed to be playing. Yeah, sometimes it helps your understanding of the game but does it really matter ?

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