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The NCL management can apply common sense and save themselves further embarrassment by using the option available to them in OP1.23:-

 

"Any club failing to fulfil a League or Grand Final Series Play Off Fixture without an explanation which satisfies the Management Committee may, in addition to being relegated from its respective division at the conclusion of the playing season, be fined up to  £500".

 

 I would think that Siddal's explanation will satisfy the Management Committee.

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The NCL management can apply common sense and save themselves further embarrassment by using the option available to them in OP1.23:-

 

"Any club failing to fulfil a League or Grand Final Series Play Off Fixture without an explanation which satisfies the Management Committee may, in addition to being relegated from its respective division at the conclusion of the playing season, be fined up to  £500".

 

 I would think that Siddal's explanation will satisfy the Management Committee.

I wouldn't bank on it ref, I remember when almost all the Skirlaugh players had booked hotels in London for the  Wembley Cup final, on a supposedly blank weekend. Surely this should

have been a suitable explanation, but it wasn't and they were docked 4 points and fined £500 or more. I won't mention the club who wouldn't change the play off date.

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I recall a few years back when West Hull had a mid-week fixture at Oldham St annes - guess what "the bus broke down on the way" it would appear that this club have a book of excusses for every eventuality.

Come on Thatto lets knock these cheats out of the play-offs & move on.

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You have to feel for sidall , they did everything asked of them at the game , what are west hull playing at why did they complain ???? When it was clear they agreed

The ncl and the Rfl hands are tied as rule was broken so had to ask for the game to be be replayed . What a situation , the ncl do not care about player welfare . Leigh east were made to play 7 games in 23 days .

The ncl will relegate siddal they have no option and that would be a crying shame , sidall are the biggest and best club in the league and have done nothing wrong in my eyes , they don't deserve to be treated like this .

One thing will come out of this and it will be sidall who keep there respect . West hull will lose it along with the ncl management

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The NCL management can apply common sense and save themselves further embarrassment by using the option available to them in OP1.23:-

 

"Any club failing to fulfil a League or Grand Final Series Play Off Fixture without an explanation which satisfies the Management Committee may, in addition to being relegated from its respective division at the conclusion of the playing season, be fined up to  £500".

 

 I would think that Siddal's explanation will satisfy the Management Committee.

If Siddal are relegated would Myton  Warriors stay up thanks to West Hull ?

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I don't believe that myton would get a reprieve, however it would be a crying shame for siddal to be relegated

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We keep getting told that the committee are there to serve its members, it's clear that siddle have overwhelming support from all the clubs apart from west hull of course,

Could the members show there support call a meeting and insist siddle do not get punished ?

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The committee are there to run the league on behalf of its members , if you don't want them , vote at the next AGM or with 30% support you could cal a special general meeting . These are the rules and everyone must abide by them including the committee . To be honest they are in a no win situation . They throw Thatto out and might get voted out themselves , they leave them in and set a precedence for others , what david Lowe should have done is speak to the playoff refs before the Saturday games and confirm the rules , david is a paper freak and just sends them off at the touch off a button , covering himself . A phone call would have avoided this silly situation

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The committee are there to run the league on behalf of its members , if you don't want them , vote at the next AGM or with 30% support you could cal a special general meeting . These are the rules and everyone must abide by them including the committee . To be honest they are in a no win situation . They throw Thatto out and might get voted out themselves , they leave them in and set a precedence for others , what david Lowe should have done is speak to the playoff refs before the Saturday games and confirm the rules , david is a paper freak and just sends them off at the touch off a button , covering himself . A phone call would have avoided this silly situation

 

do you mean Siddal

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This is extremely rare situation, when was the last time a game got replayed ?

The ref made a mistake but it should have been left there, if we changed the outcome of a game due to a bad decision from the ref it would take 4 years to complete a season, they have made a rod for there own back by allowing the game to be replayed ,

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The committee are there to run the league on behalf of its members , if you don't want them , vote at the next AGM or with 30% support you could cal a special general meeting . These are the rules and everyone must abide by them including the committee . To be honest they are in a no win situation . They throw Thatto out and might get voted out themselves , they leave them in and set a precedence for others , what david Lowe should have done is speak to the playoff refs before the Saturday games and confirm the rules , david is a paper freak and just sends them off at the touch off a button , covering himself . A phone call would have avoided this silly situation

It was a pretty average performance on Saturday but i'm not sure we deserve throwing out on the back of it. That said i'm half minded to sit with a stop watch and watch the video to see if the ref did play the full 80 after his stoppages!  :sclerosis: You never know if he is 30 secs short we could argue that the game wasn't played in full!  :tongue:

 

In all seriousness though I understand what you're saying about the committee being in a no win situation. Essentially the committee are appointed by the clubs to enforce the rules as voted for by the clubs and, to the letter they have probably done so, that's not to say I or anyone else that I have spoken to agrees with it. However, I don't think anyone would complain if a line was drawn under this without any further punishment for Siddal who have clearly been more than put out enough already through no fault of their own.

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The referee obviously didn't know the rules and the ncl management blame that on sidall, WRONG , the blame lies with them . If your boss doesn't tell you the rules ??????

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To be fair the RFL through Bob Smithies appoint the officials - not David Lowe or any of the NCL committee, and assuming the Officials receive the same email as the the clubs it did say in big f~~# off red letters directly underneath the appointment for the Wests v Siddal match what the rules for extra time were. If I was a referee, reffing in the playoffs of tightest and most competitive league in the country i'd make sure I was aware of what the rules were should the game end in a draw. I'd also make both coaches and captains aware of the rule before the match even kick of just incase, thus avoiding any confusion. Obviously the refs see themselves as too important to concern themselves with that as this situation shows. 

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Ncl desision, maybe was based on a historical dislike of siddal, ie how they smashed there way, through the leagues, with a intimidating crowd, in the good old days, the community committee totally biased against the little village club from Halifax. Fact.

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Don't think they hav got it in for siddal particularly,just totally incompetent committee...and west hull always seem to come out smelling of roses !!

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To be fair the RFL through Bob Smithies appoint the officials - not David Lowe or any of the NCL committee, and assuming the Officials receive the same email as the the clubs it did say in big f~~# off red letters directly underneath the appointment for the Wests v Siddal match what the rules for extra time were. If I was a referee, reffing in the playoffs of tightest and most competitive league in the country i'd make sure I was aware of what the rules were should the game end in a draw. I'd also make both coaches and captains aware of the rule before the match even kick of just incase, thus avoiding any confusion. Obviously the refs see themselves as too important to concern themselves with that as this situation shows.

Exactly , he obviously didn't read it , apologies to david but someone was to blame and it wasn't sidall but they will be relegated , no other way round it , it will be seen as a no show and we all know what the penalty is . The referee should have made both teams play extra time then golden point . What's the penalty for the ref

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I've heard theirs a letter of apology been given to both wests and siddal from the ref. will either club be posting that on there sites? Would be interesting what he's got to say

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I think the NCL committee will play their Get Out Of Jail card, the game that Siddal forfeited wasn't on the fixture list until the shambles of the Siddal/West Hull game. As far as they were concerned they (Siddal) had a game the following Saturday if they won or that their season was over with a defeat.  They should not have been expected to play a game at such short notice and were within their moral and player welfare rights to refuse. The four club representatives on the committee should remember who they are representing and no further penalty should be forthcoming.

 If the NCL do apply the normal penalties for match forfeiture then they will be driving a large stake into the ethos of the amateur game and should consider their future in the game.

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Let's hope that common sense prevails on this occasion, but IF the NCL do relegate Siddal - even though they can provide a reason to satisfy the committee - all the member Clubs should back Siddal 100% (and in that I actually include West Hull).  Member clubs hold the power on this occasion I feel, and we should not be frightened to use it.  Siddal are a fantastic Club and as such deserve our backing should the NCL chose to carry on with any sanctions whilst knowing the depth of feeling following this regrettable episode.  I await with interest the NCL's findings. :rtfm:

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Slightly off topic but also with regards to non fulfilment fixtures are BDH also up for relegation for non attendance v Rochdale Mayfield?

 

The NCL need to use some common sense here, no 1 does not just turn up without valid reason as seen with both the Siddal and BDH cases seen this season?

 

As you say Barbara will be interesting see see outcomes.

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