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Rebel super league clubs now totalling nine

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It's patently clear from the reaction to the World Cup so far that there us real interest in our game from all quarters. The tournament will really explode in a minute and the people running the game need to be good enough to capitalise on that.

I'm guilty of living in the past a bit and dwelling on the cosy memories of games on Boxing Day & New Years Day. The game has changed and we have to embrace that.

A vibrant international scene is vital for the sport. Union learnt that a long time ago. The European tournament has also taken the RU game in this country to a new level - crowds for club games were dire 20 years ago. Unpalatable though it may be, we have to learn from this..

If the unthinkable happens, and we win the cup the possibilities are endless......

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It's patently clear from the reaction to the World Cup so far that there us real interest in our game from all quarters. The tournament will really explode in a minute and the people running the game need to be good enough to capitalise on that.

I'm guilty of living in the past a bit and dwelling on the cosy memories of games on Boxing Day & New Years Day. The game has changed and we have to embrace that.

A vibrant international scene is vital for the sport. Union learnt that a long time ago. The European tournament has also taken the RU game in this country to a new level - crowds for club games were dire 20 years ago. Unpalatable though it may be, we have to learn from this..

If the unthinkable happens, and we win the cup the possibilities are endless......

 

Totally agree. For all their faults the RFU keep dreams alive and the sport united. We need a strong France then a strong Wales to have a meaningful European comp, but it wont happen overnight. Until then we need to work out how we keep the media focussed on our international product, if that means two tri nations running simultaneously then so be it.

I like a four year cycle of 2 tri nations, a world cup and a GB tour, we should announce the next 8 years now.

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We have a SL plate winner with no fans surviving on the generosity of an ageing man,

 

Sadly we are all ageing men (or women).

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Sadly we are all ageing men (or women).

 but most of us cant pump millions into our club

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The worry is you believe that, and that is why the interest was declining, we have too many nothing clubs in SL to have a true elite. When we have 12 Leeds/Wire/Saints/Wigans/Hulls then we will have an elite. We have a SL plate winner with no fans surviving on the generosity of an ageing man, 3/4/5? going or gone bust yet awarded licences. This WC is so successful because we have been united and evangelical in supporting it, a divided RL will never reach its potential and the sooner the non producing dinosaurs like yourself find another hobby the better the games future looks.

Sport needs dreams, surely what is unfolding shows even a capper like you that

 

It's odd being called a "capper" and a "dinosaur" you sure you've got the right guy Craiq? You seem to indicate that the world cup's attendances are simply lapsed RL fans returning to the game because somehow it's a competition that can recapture and reunite all the alleged missing fans.

 

I think that's a convenient argument. I don't think for one minute a return to a structure where too many clubs are involved watering down standards and spreading money too thinly will do anything other than recreate the past.

 

You then seem to indicate the problem is too many nothing clubs in SL. I'd agree hence two at least need chopping - some argue four. So I'm confused by you?

 

There is an argument that if "contrived" teams in the World Cup who are just a bunch of Aussies, can attract such big crowds who don't actually care as long as they are entertained, then maybe a couple mergers should be undertaken to create clubs big enough to match the elite end of SL?

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There is an argument that if "contrived" teams in the World Cup who are just a bunch of Aussies, can attract such big crowds who don't actually care as long as they are entertained, then maybe a couple mergers should be undertaken to create clubs big enough to match the elite end of SL?

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The worry is you believe that, and that is why the interest was declining, we have too many nothing clubs in SL to have a true elite. When we have 12 Leeds/Wire/Saints/Wigans/Hulls then we will have an elite. We have a SL plate winner with no fans surviving on the generosity of an ageing man, 3/4/5? going or gone bust yet awarded licences. This WC is so successful because we have been united and evangelical in supporting it, a divided RL will never reach its potential and the sooner the non producing dinosaurs like yourself find another hobby the better the games future looks.

Sport needs dreams, surely what is unfolding shows even a capper like you that

 

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Totally agree. For all their faults the RFU keep dreams alive and the sport united. We need a strong France then a strong Wales to have a meaningful European comp, but it wont happen overnight. Until then we need to work out how we keep the media focussed on our international product, if that means two tri nations running simultaneously then so be it.

I like a four year cycle of 2 tri nations, a world cup and a GB tour, we should announce the next 8 years now.

is that why London Welsh had to resort to Legal action to gain their short lived and disastrous 'promotion'. Dreams are great anybody can have them, meaningful ambition now that's anothewr story as the ridiculous and wasteful experience of your cliub in SL showed. How did they make the 'elite' meaningful?

as for unity: are you serious, what was all the hassle about with  the heineken Cup?

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Re that  qote above, I wanted to write underneath that it seems to me a point that bears some sensible examination.

 

We live in a world now that offers every resident of an original `Our Game' catchment area, many more ways to enjoy their leisure time than thirty / forty years ago.  So too, more money to do it with.  It seems logical to me therefore, that two or three clubs so geographically close together now, that each one is struggling to maintain - let alone increase - its fan base at a financially viable level, should be able to sit down together and talk rationally about survival based on sound business structures and the realities of income generation.

 

It is hard for those who have given long devotion to understand, perhaps, that when survival is at stake, sentiment may be an old man's luxury.  But surely the precious annals of the past can better be cherished in one thriving community, than two or three slowly shrivelling remnants.  Perhaps the old (but slightly amended) saying might apply - "Divided we look wobblier by the year; united there's a chance we might not only stand but walk tall again, learn to run a good race together and win". 

 

I'd be inclined to give it a go.

 

Sounds a better option to me than another re-shuffle; another bitty lump-sum hand-out to fritter away on a short-term dash for hope and glory; another "up today for a while but down again tomorrow", staggering on believing each new season's problems are someone else's to solve, until we tumble, grumbling into two or three heaps of historic dust.

 

:king:   even King Canute couldn't hold back the tide of history.

 

:dwarf:   be a viking - ride the waves!

 

They'd have been thrutching a bit too, by now, if they'd all stayed stuck in narrow valleys in Norway.

 

 

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I can understand the club's frustration. The RFL's ridiculous decision to bring back P&R is bound to provoke reaction from much more sensible club chairman.

A smaller SL (10-12 teams) with no P&R is the only sensible approach in this country.

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I can understand the club's frustration. The RFL's ridiculous decision to bring back P&R is bound to provoke reaction from much more sensible club chairman.

A smaller SL (10-12 teams) with no P&R is the only sensible approach in this country.

 

The rebellion is nothing to do with P&R, a good number of the rebels, including the ringleader have professed their preference for P&R.

 

The rebellion is a power grab, nothing more.

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If the Chairmen come out with a proposal for the good of the game and international scene then I would support them however self serving men only bring about disasters.

The RFL on the other hand if they believe in what there doing and we must know what the overall aim is then they should just push it through.

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If the Chairmen come out with a proposal for the good of the game and international scene then I would support them however self serving men only bring about disasters.

The RFL on the other hand if they believe in what there doing and we must know what the overall aim is then they should just push it through.

The RFL can't push it through without the agreement of SL clubs.

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The rebellion is nothing to do with P&R, a good number of the rebels, including the ringleader have professed their preference for P&R.

The rebellion is a power grab, nothing more.

I think you have this the wrong way round it may well be a power grab but not by the SL clubs. It looks to me like its the RFL who are doing it.

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It's funny that the RFL, heavily criticised for not supporting the SL, are doing a remarkable job with the world cup.

 

i don't see anyone posting how rubbish the RFL are and what a shambles the world cup format or organisation is.

 

It's also funny just how united the world cup looks with clubs playing at their respective levels.

 

.......and yet the 3x8 isn't the way forward domestically like it is internationally.

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It's funny that the RFL, heavily criticised for not supporting the SL, are doing a remarkable job with the world cup.

 

i don't see anyone posting how rubbish the RFL are and what a shambles the world cup format or organisation is.

 

It's also funny just how united the world cup looks with clubs playing at their respective levels.

 

.......and yet the 3x8 isn't the way forward domestically like it is internationally.

 

There's no 3x8 for international football, the set-up has been criticised (not least by Scotland supporters) and most people seem to be leaning towards believing that it is the free rein Sally Bolton and her team have been given that is the reason for the event's ongoing success rather than anything done from Red Hall.

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It's funny that the RFL, heavily criticised for not supporting the SL, are doing a remarkable job with the world cup.

 

i don't see anyone posting how rubbish the RFL are and what a shambles the world cup format or organisation is.

 

It's also funny just how united the world cup looks with clubs playing at their respective levels.

 

.......and yet the 3x8 isn't the way forward domestically like it is internationally.

 

The world cup provides something fresh, something different, something new, if it became the norm it would become stale.

 

The 3 x 8 format will not take fans long to ignore the same games repeatedly in the same season, I remember this happening a few years ago when the "second tier" was tried with 8 teams, not good. 

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I can tell you what this means,if things stay the same,the game of rugby league will have a slow death,we need to bring back some form of promotion and relegation.We need to bring new life to the game, for clubs with ambition in the championship.Teams need the chance to live the dream and have the chance to compete with bigger clubs.

 

OK we know which clubs this realistically opines to, those few apart how many others could last more than a season or two without going bankrupt, even with a larger share of Sky's cash?

 

P&R is not the same in R/L as say football, the clubs are much poorer and without instant S/L success the old syndrome we had previously, whereby Fev, Cas Halifax and possibly Leigh were the only ones with any realistic chance of supporting the move up into S/L and, even then the yo yo effect was in place with the same ones doing the seasonal rounds of changing Leagues. Even with better fan bases and more cash, that also similarly applies in football but with a larger amount of clubs involved.

 

In recent times both Batley and Dewsbury have been realistic in not accepting promotion as they admitted they could not jusify the expenses required to obtain enough of the right quality of players to run a successful and enduring S/L team, due to their lack of a sustainable fan base.

 

Unfortunately, dreams plus expectations or not, the same will occur again and that is just stupid in the extreme.   

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most people seem to be leaning towards believing that it is the free rein Sally Bolton and her team have been given that is the reason for the event's ongoing success rather than anything done from Red Hall.

Who was it that took her on and employed her?

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1. There's no 3x8 for international football,

2. the set-up has been criticised (not least by Scotland supporters)

and most people seem to be leaning towards believing that it is the free rein Sally Bolton and her team have been given that is the reason for the event's ongoing success rather than anything done from Red Hall.

1. I could have made this clearer but at international level we have recognised and embraced the development of competitiveness in innovative fashion to the benefit of the game.

2. So one of the emerging nations may have a tough call because of the seeding but the point is that Scotland play clubs of an equal standing and therefore the margins for loss are much smaller.

3. The RFL delegate to a team of capable professionals rather than micro managing and interfering. Sounds about right for a well run executive.

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The world cup provides something fresh, something different, something new, if it became the norm it would become stale.

 

The 3 x 8 format will not take fans long to ignore the same games repeatedly in the same season, I remember this happening a few years ago when the "second tier" was tried with 8 teams, not good. 

 

It's a shame there's no factual basis to proclaim failure whereas at least I was quoting a fact that the format has been a success. The middle 8 of the early 90's was not the same as is proposed.

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1. I could have made this clearer but at international level we have recognised and embraced the development of competitiveness in innovative fashion to the benefit of the game.

2. So one of the emerging nations may have a tough call because of the seeding but the point is that Scotland play clubs of an equal standing and therefore the margins for loss are much smaller.

3. The RFL delegate to a team of capable professionals rather than micro managing and interfering. Sounds about right for a well run executive.

 

1/ We have.  This process started for 2008 and with a bit of tweaking has been very successful.

2/ I disagree with the criticisms.  You said you hadn't come across any.  I was just giving one example.

3/ We agree.  The RFL should leave it to the people who know what they're doing rather than needlessly interfering.  Remind me who's the driving force behind the nonsense 3x8?

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One thing I notice with Rugby League is the nearly constant advocation for major changes.

The system in the place at the moment was only created in 2009 and since then people constantly moan about changing it.

We have a broad international calendar until 2021 but people want that changed (GB Tour, someone even had a Six Nation proposal).

People are always thinking of new areas for London Broncos to move to.

History and stability breeds success, not chopping and changing all the time. If a new decision gets made then I want no more major changes for a least a few decades. Lets get it right.

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Who was it that took her on and employed her?

 

I've absolutely no idea.  The World Cup comes under the remit of the RLIF.  The RLIF, as we know, is a post box in Sydney.  I don't know when Sally was appointed or by who, or even who she reports to.

 

However, I do know that the World Cup and the RLIF are separate entities to the RFL.

 

I should also make clear that in this 'war' between the SL clubs and the RFL I wouldn't trust either right now.

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We have a broad international calendar until 2021 

 

I can't have been paying attention.  I know there's a World Cup planned for 2017.  What else is there?  (Genuine question, I've missed this bit).

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