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Had Sky covered the World Cup

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As for the OP, I've enjoyed a break from Sky. Although there have been hiccups here and there, I have thoroughly enjoyed the coverage from Premier Sports, not least because it oozes enthusiasm.

 

As for the BBC, Sky has undoubtedly saved our sport financially but in recent years the coverage has become old and stale and very stereotyped.  In fact, the BBC has moved ahead of Sky in all respects even if it still gives the impression of being reticent (despite what are very good viewing figures during this tournament with great crowds watching live and decent moments from the England team).  However, surely we can't forget that the BBC has been covering rugby league in one way or another for decades.  It may be the mouthpiece and looking glass of the establishment but it's never totally broken its ties to our sport and it has put its cards on the table for our internationals in the future too as well as continuing its relationship with the Challenge Cup.  As the broadcaster paid for in part from the public purse it can never offer the same coverage as the private channels because it has to balance its scheduling books to suit a very diverse nation.  However, keeping the BBC onside is absolutely vital to our sport as the 2.2 million viewing figure suggests, even if the viewing share declined to 15% from 20% the weekend before.

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kick off times were fine in 2000.

The kick off time for the Twickenham game wasn't. It was around 6-00pm. I know I went. England internationals should be on at 3-00pm -ish on a Saturday afternoon, in order to maximise the crowd. The 2000 comp got off to a bad start because Twickenham had about 30k in it. The reluctance of some RL fans to darken Twickeham's doors was compounded by the stupid kick off time, the dreadful weather and the problems on the railway. Plus of course Twickenham is not the easiest place to get to from Northern England. IIRC the England v Ireland at Headingley was on a Saturday evening, and the Wales - Australia was on a Sunday evening neither of which are prime times for watching sport. TBH my experience of the 2000 RLWC was that the kick of times were rubbish

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What is interesting is that because of the lack of live coverage from Sky, none of the coaches appear to be "furious" at any point during the games :)

 

There's even more to this - depressingly - than you suggest.  

 

There's an almost psycho-sexual obsession on Sky with making repeated and irrelevant references during the game to "the Wigan coach, Shane Wane, blah blah blah" or "the Leeds coach, Brian McDermott, blah blah blah".  It's central to the inability of Eddie & Stevo to ever say anything original or interesting.  

 

Next time you watch a Sky game, listen carefully to Stevo's first bucket-load of nonsense - like a robot, he's incapable of not mentioning, straight from the kick-off, 'the so-and-so coach....' and how much he's 'fully aware of...' some bland vanilla insight. 

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There's even more to this - depressingly - than you suggest.

There's an almost psycho-sexual obsession on Sky with making repeated and irrelevant references during the game to "the Wigan coach, Shane Wane, blah blah blah" or "the Leeds coach, Brian McDermott, blah blah blah". It's central to the inability of Eddie & Stevo to ever say anything original or interesting.

Next time you watch a Sky game, listen carefully to Stevo's first bucket-load of nonsense - like a robot, he's incapable of not mentioning, straight from the kick-off, 'the so-and-so coach....' and how much he's 'fully aware of...' some bland vanilla insight.

You're right Garvers, but I think you need a lie down.

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The kick off time for the Twickenham game wasn't. It was around 6-00pm. I know I went. England internationals should be on at 3-00pm -ish on a Saturday afternoon, in order to maximise the crowd. The 2000 comp got off to a bad start because Twickenham had about 30k in it. The reluctance of some RL fans to darken Twickeham's doors was compounded by the stupid kick off time, the dreadful weather and the problems on the railway. Plus of course Twickenham is not the easiest place to get to from Northern England. IIRC the England v Ireland at Headingley was on a Saturday evening, and the Wales - Australia was on a Sunday evening neither of which are prime times for watching sport. TBH my experience of the 2000 RLWC was that the kick of times were rubbish

There were some games on Saturday afternoons, there were some in the evening. Not unlike this tournament tbh.

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This Voss guy. Eddie warrings love child? Cliche driven sound bites, pop him on BBC prime time and confirmation of RL stereotypes will be complete

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Personally, I've found the BBC and Premier Sports a pleasant change from Sky, whose presentation's been looking increasingly tired and stereotyped lately. A complete change in presenters would help, but with Eddie and Stevo contracted to the end of the current agreement that'd be too much to hope for!

Spot on...

 

Not at all looking forward to going back to E & S next season  :resent:  may even give it a miss and stick with Premier and have Aussie / State of Origin and  Our own Championship  games for a lot lot less dosh ...... plus hopefully Vossy doing some games. :clapping: 

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Lets be thankful that the governing bodies did something different. The Premier coverage has looked professional and the commentary has been good,

the only thing they could have added is ref cam.   

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This Voss guy. Eddie warrings love child? Cliche driven sound bites, pop him on BBC prime time and confirmation of RL stereotypes will be complete

They've already got Dave Woods for that

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Lets be thankful that the governing bodies did something different. The Premier coverage has looked professional and the commentary has been good,

the only thing they could have added is ref cam.   

Afraid I think the ref cam is a bit gimicky.

But really like how Premier and BBC let us listen to the video judge ( and it makes them more accountable as well ) instead of putting up with a couple of minutes listening to Stevo shouting his overpowering opinions repeatedly into the mike. " It's a try for mine ! " etc.. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!! one day I will put my foot through the screen or worse  :wild:  

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Afraid I think the ref cam is a bit gimicky.

But really like how Premier and BBC let us listen to the video judge ( and it makes them more accountable as well ) instead of putting up with a couple of minutes listening to Stevo shouting his overpowering opinions repeatedly into the mike. " It's a try for mine ! " etc.. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!! one day I will put my foot through the screen or worse  :wild:  

I would prefer if they cut the audio before we hear the VR say whether it's a try or not. I like finding out at the same time as the crowd

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Sky not covering the RLWC?

Pros:

No E&S

No terrible infographics - Clarkey's stuff is interesting & relavent but it's made pointless by terrible presentation. Someone missed the key point that the info is more important than the graphics

Vossy = instant legend. Amusing, not prone to hyperbole while still being enthusiastic, calls the game as it's going not dwelling on an irellavent moment 10 mins ago and only talks in the positive - great play not rubbish defence

All the games on TV, miss one, it's repeated loads

Games on the BBC

Cons:

Inferior camera numbers (no worse coverage though)

Smalller subscriber base - in theory, but since Virgin Media gave Prem Sports free to everyone I'd say it might be suddenly a lot larger

That's it.

On the whole if Premier Sports could afford to pinch Superleague of Sky I'd be pretty happy

Failing that just ditch E&S

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I would have liked a programme summarising the games gone and previewing the games to come in between the rounds

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I would have liked a programme summarising the games gone and previewing the games to come in between the rounds

The daily BBC podcast has been quite good. Though sometimes, they're only about 11 minutes.

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Yes, and amazingly it seems to be possible for both teams to be playing well, poorly or indifferently at the same time. I thought I'd learnt from Sky that one team was always running the show with a good kicking game and their opponent all over the shop.

 

Although that could turn around quickly with a try from the team previously all over the shop, possibly following a message going out from the furious coach.

Twenty years of Sky summed up in two short paragraphs. Brilliant!

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