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15/11/13 - World Cup QF1: New Zealand v Scotland (Leeds, KO 8pm)

Who will win?   33 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will win?

    • New Zealand by 21 points or more
      23
    • New Zealand by 11 to 20 points
      5
    • New Zealand by 1 to 10 points
      1
    • Scotland by 1 to 10 points
      3
    • Scotland by 11 to 20 points
      0
    • Scotland by 21 points or more
      1

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Discuss World Cup QF1: New Zealand v Scotland (Leeds, KO 8pm) here.

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Scotland are a home nation ... Just like England . They pay their licence fee . This is historic and should be on a BBC channel live .

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Scotland are a home nation ... Just like England . They pay their licence fee . This is historic and should be on a BBC channel live .

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

On the rugby side of things, i expect we will get hammered but would be good if we could put 18 or so points on the scoreboard!

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No one will be surprised to see NZ end it as a contest inside the first twenty minutes.

 

I won't be surprised come half time to see Scotland still in the contest.

 

I've posted my thoughts on how Scotland could trouble NZ , of the minnow teams , their particular style is the one you would pick to disrupt NZ.

 

Secound half the Kiwis are beatable. Samoa  beat them in the secound half point for point , PNG ran close to them as well.

 

Forty minutes of perfect Scots Footy and they are in with a chance.....a small chance , but a real chance.

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I'd love to see the Scots jolt the Champions, like Wales did to Australia in 2000, but the head says NZ all the way.

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if this nz team was the "benji show" of the past couple of years id fancy scotland,with their cracking spine,to push nz pretty close....

sadly this nz team....are a team and not a one man show anymore..it'll be a good game for a half or 60mins but nz will have too much in the end..

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You'd like to hope that Scotland would trouble NZ but after watching NZ play PNG, they seemed to be able to offload at will and seemed to trouble the PNG line every set of six. If Scotland are to be competitive they must stop the NZ offload game, even then NZ have so many strike players it may only stem the tide for a while. Scotland have some great kickers whereas PNG and Samoa were weak in that department. 

 

I think Scotland will have some good spells in the game and score some points but I think they will lose by 20-30. NZ 46 Scotland 16 for me. Scotland shipped 30 points against Italy don't forget.

 

Praying for an England - Scotland semi-final but can't see it happening.

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You'd like to hope that Scotland would trouble NZ but after watching NZ play PNG, they seemed to be able to offload at will and seemed to trouble the PNG line every set of six. If Scotland are to be competitive they must stop the NZ offload game, even then NZ have so many strike players it may only stem the tide for a while. Scotland have some great kickers whereas PNG and Samoa were weak in that department. 

 

I think Scotland will have some good spells in the game and score some points but I think they will lose by 20-30. NZ 46 Scotland 16 for me. Scotland shipped 30 points against Italy don't forget.

 

Praying for an England - Scotland semi-final but can't see it happening.

Scotland will be far better organised than PNG. But still... :unsure:

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You'd like to hope that Scotland would trouble NZ but after watching NZ play PNG, they seemed to be able to offload at will and seemed to trouble the PNG line every set of six. If Scotland are to be competitive they must stop the NZ offload game, even then NZ have so many strike players it may only stem the tide for a while. Scotland have some great kickers whereas PNG and Samoa were weak in that department. 

 

I think Scotland will have some good spells in the game and score some points but I think they will lose by 20-30. NZ 46 Scotland 16 for me. Scotland shipped 30 points against Italy don't forget.

 

Praying for an England - Scotland semi-final but can't see it happening.

 

England - Scotland at Wembley - in a different sport than association football - hmmm, that would get some interest! :)

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This is our cup final and it is such an honour for Scotland to be taking the field against the world champions. As long as it is not a complete drubbing I'll be happy.

Although playing England at Wembley would be nice!

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You would think it would be an easy NZ win, after a spirited performance from Scotland.

 

I think there's just a sliver of a chance we could see an upset. So on the strength of that, I've dusted off the scottish ancestry (one of my grandads was born a jock) and learned the words to Flower of Scotland.

 

Got tickets for the South Stand, which will be my first time, it's not the sort of place I'd have ventured into wearing a Fev shirt, back in the day.

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I'd love to see the Scots jolt the Champions, like Wales did to Australia in 2000, but the head says NZ all the way.

I think that the scores will be pretty close............right up to kick off

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I'd love for Scotland to keep the scoreline tight for a good portion of this game but NZ will be easy winners in the end. One thing McCormack and the Scots must learn not to play conservative and attempt to kart it up the middle against NZ; get it spun outwide and allow the backs to run at their defence.

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If NZ play like they did in the second half against Samoa anything can happen. Losing Dale Ferguson is a big blow for the Scots though, he's looked their strongest forward to me.

If Borough, Wallace and Russell all have the games of their lives, who knows?

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The Scots need wet weather. If it rains, and they get a non NRL referee, then with their having a better kicking game they could keep this within 20. The problem is that the Kiwis can score 20 points without their seeing the ball. They'll leave nothing out there though.

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Looking forward to the game i'll be there in the south stand with another 2 thunder fans looking forward to the game.

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I can see the headline now

 

'Jocks Strapped by the Kiwis'  

 

:laugh:

 

I'll get mi coat..........

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Hopefully we are all printing off the words to Flower of Scotland.  It would be good to hear a rousing rendition from the South Stand.

 

Can Scotland make it interesting?  Well if Brough, Wallace, Russell, Ian Henderson, Linnett and Douglas are all fit and play to their maximum then hopefully we could see something similar to the Wales v Aus semi of 2000.  Though if NZ get off to a fast start and knock the stuffing out of Scotland then it could be a blowout.

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Kiwis team to play ScotlandThursday, November 14, 2013

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The Kiwis coach Stephen Kearney has named his 19-man squad to face Scotland in the Rugby League World Cup quarter-final this Friday night (UK-time) at Headingley Carnegie Stadium, Leeds. With a couple of injury niggles being monitored, Kearney will confirm his playing 17 nearer game time.

The playing 17 should see regular skipper Simon Mannering back as Captain, after being rested in the Kiwis' final pool game, and Kieran Foran (Vice-Captain) and Shaun Johnson combining for their fourth consecutive RLWC match in the halves.

Kevin Locke is the only fullback in the 19. Josh Hoffman aggravated a knock to the shoulder last week against Papua New Guinea but would have been fit to play. "I think Kevin is the best man for the job this week," said Kearney.

All five of Kearney's main props (Ben Matulino, Jesse Bromwich, Sam Moa, Sam Kasiano and Jared Waerea-Hargreaves) are in the 19, with one likely to drop out.

Despite being ruled out of the tournament with a groin complaint, Thomas Leuluai has stayed on in camp and is supporting the team.

The Kiwis vs Scotland RLWC quarter-final match kicks off at 8pm Friday, November 15 (UK-time), at Headingley Carnegie Stadium, Leeds. The match will be shown live on SKY Sport in NZ on Saturday morning (9am KO NZ-time).

The 19-man Kiwi squad to face Scotland is:

Name

Club

Kiwi #

Tests

Jesse Bromwich

Melbourne Storm

775

5

Kieran Foran

Manly Sea Eagles

757

12

Bryson Goodwin

South Sydney Rabbitohs

752

7

Shaun Johnson

Vodafone Warriors

774

5

Sam Kasiano

Canterbury Bulldogs

777

4

Kevin Locke

Vodafone Warriors

758

5

Issac Luke

South Sydney Rabbitohs

749

26

Simon Mannnering

Vodafone Warriors

731

32

Ben Matulino

Vodafone Warriors

756

16

Sam Moa

Sydney Roosters

780

2

Jason Nightingale

St George Illawarra Dragons

747

19

Frank-Paul Nu'uausala

Sydney Roosters

754

12

Frank Pritchard

Canterbury Bulldogs

718

26

Elijah Taylor

Vodafone Warriors

770

7

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck

Sydney Roosters

779

3

Manu Vatuvei

Vodafone Warriors

720

22

Jared Waerea-Hargreaves

Sydney Roosters

755

14

Dean Whare

Penrith Panthers

776

4

Sonny Bill Williams

Sydney Roosters

706

9

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Kearney trying to get cute naming a squad of 19 without clear indication of who are the 18th and 19th men

 

Most Notable ommision is Josh Hoffman. If they are looking at Kevin Locke as his replacement at full back , that ups Scotlands chances significantly. 

 

Kevin Locke is in horrible form or lack thereof.

 

Truly struggling , especially under the high ball. Scotlands strength in their Kicking game.....evens up the odds significantly ( if Locke doesn't find the streak of form that has elluded him the past two years, he has maybe played a dozen games well at club level at best since his scintilating 2011 season ).

 

Kearney insists that Hoffmans omission isn't injury determined ( he had a shoulder Injury post the PNG game as is stated in the article ) Kearney on the radio today said Hoffman was fit.

 

The New Zealand spine has lacked it's good structure when Locke is out there. His one ressidual advantage over Hoffman is the threat he poses in the opposition 20 with ball in hand , if Hoffman is being left out in any way related to form ( hard to believe ) you could only point at his blowing a couple of tries by not passing when there was an overlap.

 

Manu Vatuvei is the other player with an Injury cloud ( Williams Flu and Shoulder are expected to be cleared for the game ) then kearney could juggle his Wing / Fullback options around a bit , but then Locke is pants on the wing so....

 

The Props are likely to see Sam Moa V Matulino as the head to head ' who misses out ' reality , both are good , Matulino played well against PNG , we haven't seen Moa's Roosters form in a Kiwi Jumper ( he hasn't torn the opposition apart as an impact prop like he did in the NRL ).

 

I can't see them leaving Kassiano out ( ball playing 130kg half back )

 

I can't see them leaving Taylor out ( Kearneys Love child ) and he deserves it based on his work ethic.

 

These 19 man squads with the extra Prop are a bore......they could have at least declared their hand , and numbered the bench according to who is player 18 and 19.......it's a rugby league game not the storming of the iranian embassy

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