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23/11/13 - World Cup Semi Final 1: England v New Zealand (Wembley)

Who will win?   110 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will win?

    • England by 25 points or more
      3
    • England by 19 to 24 points
      1
    • England by 13 to 18 points
      3
    • England by 7 to 12 points
      35
    • England by 1 to 6 points
      22
    • New Zealand by 1 to 6 points
      8
    • New Zealand by 7 to 12 points
      11
    • New Zealand by 13 to 18 points
      16
    • New Zealand by 19 to 24 points
      5
    • New Zealand by 25 points or more
      6

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Discuss World Cup Semi Final 1: England v New Zealand (Wembley) here.

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Looking forward to it,ignoring all the doom-mongers and naysayers.

 

 

COME ON ENGLAND.

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The best NZ team I have ever seen, first was 1965. They have speed, size, strength & agility all over the park. The only chance we have is to put them off their game as they have a tendency to lose their focus. Can only see a NZ win by a big margin. Sorry folks.

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The best NZ team I have ever seen, first was 1965. They have speed, size, strength & agility all over the park. The only chance we have is to put them off their game as they have a tendency to lose their focus. Can only see a NZ win by a big margin. Sorry folks.

What are you basing this on, who have NZ played that has vaguely given them a game?

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It's a fantastic New Zealand side and are fravioutes for mine but we have a great chance of winning and what an occasion this will be I advise if you haven't got a ticket then get 1 this will be awesome. My team

Tomkins

Briscoe

Watkins

Cudjoe

Hall

Chase

Sinfield

Burgess

Roby

Graham

Westwood

Ferres

Oloughlin

Hill

Burrow

G burgess

Ablett/ t burgess

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We should win this - defensively we're OK, it's the attack (or 'go-forward' in modern coachspeak) where we're a bit lacking.

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We should win this - defensively we're OK, it's the attack (or 'go-forward' in modern coachspeak) where we're a bit lacking.

This is why I think England will lose. It is unlikely you will stop a side as full of talented attacking players like the Kiwis from scoring. This means you need to be able to counter with try's of your own. 

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You get to this stage and anything can happen. Will be at Wembley and will be very vocal. Time to be positive and get behind the boys.

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England can't fail.

 

In my experience, teams playing in black and white have an uncanny knack of losing at THAT place.

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I am confident we'll win this. If we hold onto them in the first 20 and we showed against the Aussies that we can start quickly enough, then they'll run out of steam as the game goes on, as they have done in pretty much every game so far, and as a consequence of their relatively easy run. England have played the 1st and 4th best team in the competition and done pretty nicely against them so far. We've nothing to fear, against a Kiwi side with a lot of very big lads who have spent a long time eating northern food in cold weather.

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This is why I think England will lose. It is unlikely you will stop a side as full of talented attacking players like the Kiwis from scoring. This means you need to be able to counter with try's of your own.

We've scored 24 trys in 4 games were not doing too bad on that score.

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Can anyone advise on what facilities will be open in Club Wembley? Its my first time in there and I'm looking forward to spending the whole afternoon there

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Two main things we need to control. SBW and Roger TS....I was genuinely taken aback by his speed at Headingley on Friday night. Thingy off a stick comes to mind.

We definitely can win this though.

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You get to this stage and anything can happen. Will be at Wembley and will be very vocal. Time to be positive and get behind the boys.

I think you need to go down Soho if you fancy getting behind the boys. ;)

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Its gunna be a long week building up to this game.can't wait,bring it on, #wallofwhite

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I think you need to go down Soho if you fancy getting behind the boys. ;)

You out smutted me matey :tongue:

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Fancy England in this, good pack and two good wingers, Burrows is a must for me on the bench

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England should be favourites for this.

 

I don't know why people are saying New Zealand thrashed Scotland because they didn't.

 

England by two tries.

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England CAN win this but NZ should win it. However if we are at the top of our game and they choke then it will be a possible knighthood for Stevie Mac.

 

Head tells me NZ by a margin, unfortunately.

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I really don't know who will win, or who should win, but I'm looking forward to the game. Is this the 'main course' with Aus/Fiji the starter?

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If McNamara has been nursing Widdop to play him in the big games that would be a huge boost for us, sadly I don't think that's the case.

If McNamara puts 2 second rowers on the bench against New Zealand like he did against France then we are in deep deep trouble. Either Mossop or T Burgess has to come in for Farrell. Farrell is far too small for the Kiwis and the amount of offloads SBW would get out of going into the collision against him could be costly.

We do have a chance though. Although this Kiwi side is a very good one, they haven't shown that they are entirely superior. Fiji beat Samoa by a similar amount of points to what New Zealand did. A 40 points to 4 win against Scotland is not that much impressive either. England have at least been tested in the tournament as they have played the other two semi finalists, and aswell as a much improved France side in comparison to when they played the Kiwis.

There will be many key battles in this game in my opinion. The outside backs is a crucial one. Hall Charnley and Tomkins v Sheck, Vatuvei and likely Locke will be a closely fought contest. We need to maximise the metres we make from kick returns and minimise theirs, we also can't afford to chase down kicks with a half hearted attempt, Sheck has proven in this tournament if he is 1 v 1 with a man he will likely beat them. I was hoping Hall would be against Vatuvei personally as he could expose his faculties in defence. Also with Charnley and Watkins on one side we are going to be physically dominated with Vatuvei on one side, although the same was said with Watkins v Inglis and they didn't fair to badly then.

The Kiwi centres aren't to be feared compared to Australia's. Goodwin and Whare are not superhuman. Goodwin appeared a turnstyle against Samoa. They are good ball in hand but aren't going to physically over power us. The key will be to stop them getting the ball out to the wingers as they are the main threat in the backline. Locke doesn't particularly worry me to be honest, he hasn't shown anything to suggest he is a major threat. Tomkins is the much better player.

I think Sam Burgess should be opposite Sonny Bill Williams personally. He is one of few who can match him physically and stop his offload game. He is capable of physically dominating him in the collision also which is a huge factor. Having them give the ball to SBW to see him destroyed by Burgess would be great for our morale. In attack Burgess is capable of getting on top of SBW which again could be key.

Our props will do okay I'm more than confident of that. Graham was back to his old self against France. Hill and G Burgess more than match their Kiwi counterparts. Another of T Burgess or Mossop has to play though in my opinion. I think McNamara made a huge mistake in not selecting Crabtree in my opinion but we cannot go back on that now. If it's wet I'd go with Mossop as T Burgess' handling isn't good enough for the wet. If it's dry I would go with Tom, as his physical presence would help us massively against a huge Kiwi pack.

Westwood needs to cut out any silly penalties as we just can't simply afford them. Ferres will go fine aswell I reckon he has stood up against every opposition he has come against. Mannering v O Loughlin is more than a interesting match up. Both extremely solid and underrated in my opinion it will be great to see.

Our halves need to step up it's as simple as that. Widdop should play 6 as Chase has only given a decent 20 minutes throughout the whole tournament and his performance against France yesterday was one of the worst I've seen from an England half back in my lifetime. But McNamara will likely persist with Chase anyways. When he does play he needs to play more direct and at least have some form of organisation going on. His off the cuff style does not hack it at international level when his team mates do not know what he is doing.

New Zealand's biggest threat though in my opinion is wearing the number 9 shirt. We can not afford Isaac Luke to be constantly getting out of dummy half and making easy metres. He is in my opinion the best in the world at doing it now. If we let him run riot we will have no chance.

We can beat New Zealand in my opinion but it's going to be tough. We need to get everything tactically right to even have a chance. Their threats can be nullified we just have to play our game right. Bookies have the handicap at -4 NZ which is abit generous for myself.

Come on England.

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RSN there has been untold amounts if rubbish posted on this forum throughout this WC but your post is certainly not in that category, a great well thought out piece, well done sir.

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