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Because, under no circumstances, must we look at restricting the baby boomers' rights to unlimited prosperity.

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Because, under no circumstances, must we look at restricting the baby boomers' rights to unlimited prosperity.

Heresy! You will be deported to the rigrht-wing boondocks of this lefties forum!

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What we need is more kicking of people when they're down, and more age discrimination.  Where do I sign up?

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I know people have said repeatedly that the Labour party must move with the times to be electable but I really think they've become Tory-lite in everything but name.  Some of the policies Labour put out in government and proposed were things that even Maggie wouldn't have dared implement.

 

My view is that if you've earned contribution based benefits and find yourself unemployed then you should get access to the entire benefits package regardless of your age and be given them without undue hassle.

 

What they, and the Coalition, are talking about is a massively blunt sledgehammer to hit a very specific and narrow nail of the "will not work" youth.  What about someone who works from 16yo to 23yo non-stop then gets made redundant because his company outsources his job abroad?  Scrounger!  Stop his benefits.  What about someone who is 40, has never worked and does not want to work, why isn't he caught by these proposals?

 

The danger is that you get what happens in America, those who feel disenfranchised by the system, can't find work and can't get benefits either move to crime or get effectively dumped in society's skip.  Yes, it reduces headline youth unemployment because not one country's statistics includes these people outside of the system, they're not claiming unemployment benefits therefore they're not "unemployed", a win for the statisticians.

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They need that benefit money for Romanians and Bulgarians. They know the under-25's will be forced to live with their parents and granparents, and then sponge money off them.

 

I'm changing my locks!

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Because, under no circumstances, must we look at restricting the baby boomers' rights to unlimited prosperity.

 

Generation most likely to actually bother to vote. Why do you think they're looked after the best?!

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What constitutes an intensive job search? 

It just sounds like weasel words to out Tory the Tories and get onside with the mail readership

Bag o ####

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Generation most likely to actually bother to vote. Why do you think they're looked after the best?!

 

Why would any under 25 vote and who would they vote for?

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Why would any under 25 vote and who would they vote for?

 

Chicken, egg, etc. ;)

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I am disliking this country and it's politicians more and more each day. I am sick of being told that all the countries problems are because of people on benefits! I will leave my rant there, because I do not want to put my views down which may earn me a ban!

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The chicken is Clegg, who's the egg?

Eric Pickled Egg.

 

Have you seen his perfectly ovoid head?

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I am disliking this country and it's politicians more and more each day. I am sick of being told that all the countries problems are because of people on benefits! I will leave my rant there, because I do not want to put my views down which may earn me a ban!

Oh course everything is the fault of people on benefits, they are leaches on society we should stop every benefit now or at least force then to work for multinational companies which post billions of pounds of profits and pay them out of the public purse.

Can somebody please explain to me the difference between a family living in a big house in Parr or Seacroft paid for by the tax payer and a couple with a big family living on the Mall in London also paid for by the tax payer.

The way that the poorer end of society have been vilified by this government ( a I include the lib dems in that) is disgusting.

Yes people cheat the system, but people also form cartels to rip off consumers. Both equally wrong we pay for both, but the latter make enough money to buy off the politicians.

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I would expect that the norm for most under 25s is not to get these benefits. Why? Because they are already in employment or education.

 

Sorry to sound like someone straight out of the nutter fringe of the Conservative party but they could always get off their backsides and get a job.

Personally i think the benefits system should not black out the under 25s totally but be time limited for all. We all know that idle sod you went to school with that has not done a single days work since you left. Why should this be the case? If you have not got a job within 2 years of being made unemployed you are no going to get one mainly through choice.

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I would expect that the norm for most under 25s is not to get these benefits. Why? Because they are already in employment or education.

 

Sorry to sound like someone straight out of the nutter fringe of the Conservative party but they could always get off their backsides and get a job.

Personally i think the benefits system should not black out the under 25s totally but be time limited for all. We all know that idle sod you went to school with that has not done a single days work since you left. Why should this be the case? If you have not got a job within 2 years of being made unemployed you are no going to get one mainly through choice.

There are areas out there where there just isn't work for a sizeable group of under 25s.  Many companies no longer want or have to bother with trainees or apprentices because there's plenty of highly skilled workers already out of work and available in a recession.  The traditional middle path for youths moving into skilled work has almost stopped since the recession in 2008, that leaves the education path with degree-qualified work and the un- or semi-skilled work.  A perfect way to demotivate what should really be the core of our future skilled workforce.

 

The final path of going into the military if there's nothing else available has also tailed off to about 1/5th of what it was two decades ago.  You can't even really go into the TA these days as what company in their right mind would hire a TA soldier who is probably going to spend 6 months every 2 years called up to service?  The idiot government thinks that companies are going to be patriotically minded and allow their staff to be called up that often.  TA's OK when it's just a two week exercise every year and training weekends but the government's current idea of replacing active servicemen with TA is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

Saying "get a job" to those who really want a job but can't get one is demotivating at best and destructive at worst.

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There are areas out there where there just isn't work for a sizeable group of under 25s.  Many companies no longer want or have to bother with trainees or apprentices because there's plenty of highly skilled workers already out of work and available in a recession.  The traditional middle path for youths moving into skilled work has almost stopped since the recession in 2008, that leaves the education path with degree-qualified work and the un- or semi-skilled work.  A perfect way to demotivate what should really be the core of our future skilled workforce.

 

The final path of going into the military if there's nothing else available has also tailed off to about 1/5th of what it was two decades ago.  You can't even really go into the TA these days as what company in their right mind would hire a TA soldier who is probably going to spend 6 months every 2 years called up to service?  The idiot government thinks that companies are going to be patriotically minded and allow their staff to be called up that often.  TA's OK when it's just a two week exercise every year and training weekends but the government's current idea of replacing active servicemen with TA is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

Saying "get a job" to those who really want a job but can't get one is demotivating at best and destructive at worst.

 

There are jobs out there. There are opportunities out there. If you really wanted a job and was a school leaver, you would get one within 2 years. It would be a rubbish job but it would be a start.

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There are never enough bus drivers.

There are never enough train drivers

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There are never enough bus drivers.

There are never enough train drivers

Not sure about where you live but down this way there's a waiting list to become a train driver.  Many people take jobs as train engineers or other rail careers hoping to get onto one of the rare vacancies as an insider.

 

Also, there are always plenty of adverts for trainee bus drivers round this way but it's training companies advertising their courses rather than bus companies.  Again, the bus companies don't need to advertise as there are more people with good licenses and experience than jobs available, many are converted HGV drivers who can't get work paying above minimum wage these days.

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Where I live ( Rochdale ) charity shops have a waiting list for people who want to work there. You can't even work for free ! Jobs ? They're like hens teeth here.

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My location is not relevant. It is a constant cry in the London area that trains have been cancelled owing to ss shortage of drivers.

Clearly in CKN's area, there are jobs for rail engineers as he said.

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Parents better change their locks! Little Johnny will be moving back home as soon as he loses his job.

Too bad if you've been working solidly for a few years, married with kids but aren't old enough to get assistance if you lose your job...what then?

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My location is not relevant. It is a constant cry in the London area that trains have been cancelled owing to ss shortage of drivers.

Clearly in CKN's area, there are jobs for rail engineers as he said.

 

But not everyone has the aptitude to become a train driver even if there were actually thousands of vacancies. This is from the site Wolford referred to:

 

Group Bourdon test:

Without doubt, the most dreaded of all the tests for prospective Trainee Train Drivers. This is a concentration and accuracy test - you will be expected to maintain a good level of work rate through the test, and not make any mistakes. It's a balancing act, you don't want to go too slow, but you don't want to go too fast and make mistakes as a result! I would guess that this has the highest failure rate of any part of the whole process. In my assessment class of 10, five people failed at this stage.

What does it involve? Rows and rows of patterns, 25 patterns across. Each pattern contains dots, ranging from 3 dots to 6 dots. Your task is to cross out all the patterns containing 4 dots. This is harder than it sounds, as after a few minutes, all the dots seem to blur into a mass of inky blobs... There is only one way to be sure you will pass this test, can you guess what it is? Practice, practice, and practice some more. I would say it requires even more practice than all the others, but you will notice that with enough practice, your speed and accuracy will improve tremendously.

When you combine the 50% who fail that stage of the process with the failures of other stages and medical etc and the actual number vacancies it doesn't put much of a dent in the jobless figures. It also says there are in excess of 300 applicants per vacancy. Oh, and you need to be over 21 to apply as well :rolleyes:

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I'm sure its not easy. There are  shortages of skilled and qualified people in many area of work. To what extent (or how) should we support people who messed around at school instead of working hard?

 

On the "300" applicants per vacancy"  front, is something you read about quite often,  These days, it is so easy to apply on-line for jobs I wonder how many people apply for hundreds of jobs. For each one of the three hundred applicants also apply for  multiple vacancies, it makes the figures somewhat misleading. 

 

A bit like the zero hours contracts fuss.....how many people on zero hours contracts have more than one contract?

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