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Ban it, block it, censor it

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You mistake my meaning. I'm not saying that the content is the same, I suspect it's very different. I'll certainly accept your view on this as I suspect it is far better researched than my own.

I'm just saying that if a kid wants to look at porn then they will find their way around he ban, just as they would have found their way around the age restrictions in the past.

Any ban is futile. That's my point.

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Of course someone could find a way round it but the less people exposed to it the better so it's far from futile.

And the point is that we aren't talking about a lad trying to sneak a look at a pair of thruppeny bits like in days of yore. We are talking pretty strong content that can be accessed by anyone anytime. If I want to check out some porn, I would have no problem having to opt in, I don't think it is such a big deal. (Well, apart from the fact that I think porn is getting out of control)

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If I had kids there's no way they would have unrestricted and unobserved access to the internet. There are plenty of tools to help out there (and lots built into Windows etc OSs) and if you don't have the skills to use them you can always make sure your kids use their PCs when you are around to glance over their shoulder. 

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Agree with Griff.  The best and only way to control what children have access to is to have the Mac/PC on a whacking great screen in a communal room.  Everything else is pointless.

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If I had kids there's no way they would have unrestricted and unobserved access to the internet. There are plenty of tools to help out there (and lots built into Windows etc OSs) and if you don't have the skills to use them you can always make sure your kids use their PCs when you are around to glance over their shoulder.

That's totally impractical and besides, where does trust come into it? You can't raise your kids watching them 24/7, and nor should you. There will come a time when they want to do things on their own or with a friend (s). You can't just say no to everything that you cannot personally monitor.

But knowing at least that you, and the persons house they were playing at had opted out of receiving certain things would be a big help.

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That's totally impractical and besides, where does trust come into it? You can't raise your kids watching them 24/7, and nor should you. There will come a time when they want to do things on their own or with a friend (s). You can't just say no to everything that you cannot personally monitor.

But knowing at least that you, and the persons house they were playing at had opted out of receiving certain things would be a big help.

 

I can see the point here.  However I would ask where your own trust would come in?  In signing up to the censorship are you not stating "I don't trust you"?

 

My kids aren't at the age where this is an issue, however no doubt it'll be something that I have to think about.

 

There must be people on here with teenage kids, what are their views?

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I can see the point here.  However I would ask where your own trust would come in?  In signing up to the censorship are you not stating "I don't trust you"?

 

You can't trust teenage boys not to look at porn. It's pretty much hard wired into blokes, particularly hormonal ones to like porn. Your teen will look at it whether you trust them or not.

 

The difference is that the type of porn and the amount of it is to some extent controllable. 

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I can see the point here. However I would ask where your own trust would come in? In signing up to the censorship are you not stating "I don't trust you"?

My kids aren't at the age where this is an issue, however no doubt it'll be something that I have to think about.

There must be people on here with teenage kids, what are their views?

But theres trust and also common sense. My eldest is 24. Next is 17 and I warned him a) that porn was unacceptable from a moral view point (ie respect to women angle) and b ) I would kick his ass if I found anything untoward. My daughter is 12 and knows that whatever she does is subject to monitoring all the time from me and her mum. She is not allowed anything like kik or chat apps, most of which are just a perverts carte blanche.

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I steer clear from all of it. I know that sounds holier than thou but looking at pics or vids that may or may not be illegal isn't for me.

 

I wouldn't even know what is or isn't illegal in the rudey-dudey world of the internet!

If you stick to granny porn your safe

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Look at the case in the news re: Ian Watkins. That simply couldn't have happened in the past (encouraging child abuse via webcam). This doesn't mean webcams are a bad thing but if it meant registering or identifying myself before talking to Auntie Vera in NZ, then I think it is a small price to pay if it makes life harder for such vermin. Yes, the more determined will find a way round it etc etc

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The problem I have is the one with the general one of prohibition. It hands the control over to the black market.

Young people are resourceful and will find ways around a simple ban (as mentioned, IP addresses, torrents, TOR etc). This then in order to access things they'll be accessing "dark corners" of the internet. Here more extreme things will be available just as easily as "pictures of boobies" potentially putting kids more at risk and increasing the risk of more unsavoury material being shared.

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Sorry to break the news mate but paedophilia is not exactly mainstream, it is already (by its very nature) underground.

You would not have a quick look, like perhaps you might do at certain things out of curiosity or whatever, it is a horrible unnatural practice that attracts a certain type of person only.

Anyone looking for a quick flash of knockers or whatever will not be trawling the Internet for it.

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Yeah that's my point. If you have to go looking underground for the more "mainstream" pornography you may well be looking in the same place as the stuff that is completely abhorrent. There is then a risk as kids go looking in these parts for naked ladies they come across this stuff and they see it as equivalent.

I'm always worried about the law of unintended consequences.

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Where are the kids going to look for/accidentally come across more extreme porn? In their own home?

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On the internet, when their mate tells them how to access it and get around the filter.

Unless you are saying no use of technology. I'd say that was quite a retrograde step.

They're also more likely to have any porn they do get hold of me full of malware and damage your computer when they do find it.

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So they have to find out how to access it. It is still making it harder to access and the likelihood of accidental discovery is reduced.

I also think you are overestimating how determined everyone is to access porn online. I reckon if it was blocked, most people will just accept that (frustradedly perhaps)

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