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It's not bodyline.  It's hardly even fast bowling.

 

Mitchell Johnson was hitting 90mph with a ball that was nearly eighty overs old. And most of it was aimed at the ribs.

 

Mind you, we needed a batsman who would take him on instead of just defending against the barrage.

 

Ben Stokes would have had a proper bash.

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Mitchell Johnson was hitting 90mph with a ball that was nearly eighty overs old. And most of it was aimed at the ribs.

 

Mind you, we needed a batsman who would take him on instead of just defending against the barrage.

 

Ben Stokes would have had a proper bash.

 

That was from one end and the intent was to take wickets not to injure (despite Clarke's trash-talking).

 

Bodyline is something else entirely.

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That was from one end and the intent was to take wickets not to injure (despite Clarke's trash-talking).

 

Bodyline is something else entirely.

 

Yeah, it was the Aussies on the receiving end.

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Mark, I think it's very dangerous thinking Australia are a mediocre team. Clarke is one of the best batsmen in the world, Watson is quality on his day, Warner has bolstered the top order for Australia whereas we haven't still filled the void that was left by Strauss. Steve Smith looks quality at 6 , a spot that we have had recent problems with and he also weighs in with a few wickets with his leg breaks.

Haddin is arguably on form the best Wicketkeeper bat in the world, and always fills his boots early in a series vs England. Prior has been woeful of late.

Johnson and Harris on home soil, if fit and switched on are more than a match for the England seamers, especially combined with the accuracy and tenacity of Peter Siddle.

Arguably we have a better off spin bowler in Swann than Lyon but the groundsman will negate that until Sydney which traditionally is a spinning wicket. I am a pessimist as you know from my posts on our forum, but I've said it to anyone who would listen, after the flattering 3-0, of last summer , that Australia will win this series comfortably, I hope I am wrong.

 

I hear you, but the truth is they are a very inconsistent team which is a shadow of their former world class selves. I think they will win this series. But that doesn't mean they're really that good. Just how bad we are.

 

I don't think Strauss is the missing link at all. A decent captain and a useful opener but no more.

 

The bodyline comments elsewhere made me laugh :tongue:

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Sad to hear about Trott this morning, hope he's given the space, time and support of those close to him to work things out and the press leave it be.

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Sad to hear about Trott this morning, hope he's given the space, time and support of those close to him to work things out and the press leave it be.

 

Wish him all the best and hope he can recover.

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Sad to hear about Trott this morning, hope he's given the space, time and support of those close to him to work things out and the press leave it be.

 

Sport can be cruel and brutal at times but your health comes first. Having suffered depression twice in my life, it's like falling down an endless black hole. Stress not cured can lead to depression. 

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Simple way to fix it is not to mute the stump mics inbetween balls and make the players aware of that.  Then discipline players the way Michael Clarke was after he was overheard when a stump mic wasn't muted quickly enough.  Either that or just a few "accidental" beamers to the gobby ones when they come out to bat.

 

The problem is that England are just as bad as the Aussies but seem to be pretending they're being bullied by these nasty Aussies.  I quite believe Michael Clarke's story that he only threatened Anderson in retaliation for Anderson doing the same when he was bowling in the first innings.

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I hear you, but the truth is they are a very inconsistent team which is a shadow of their former world class selves. I think they will win this series. But that doesn't mean they're really that good. Just how bad we are.

 

I don't think Strauss is the missing link at all. A decent captain and a useful opener but no more.

 

The bodyline comments elsewhere made me laugh :tongue:

Spot on Mark I think they are great on their day. And can be average. As for bodyline weren't there about 6 fielders behind square on the leg side. I don't think more than 2 are permitted now.

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Second Test: decent first day for England... just like the first Test. :unsure: 

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Spot on Mark I think they are great on their day. And can be average. As for bodyline weren't there about 6 fielders behind square on the leg side. I don't think more than 2 are permitted now.

Think they've been fantastic so far, and England hopeless. That 3-0 last summer had a watery look to it, to me, we had huge slices of good fortune last summer.

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England's second innings could be the last chance saloon for Prior and Swann. Perth next and we'll only need one spinner.

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Second Test: decent first day for England... just like the first Test. :unsure:

 

And yet there's a good chance it's going to be England's best day of the match.

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.  Either that or just a few "accidental" beamers to the gobby ones when they come out to bat.

 

 

 

When I played, anyone who sent me for a boundary or had owt to say always got a couple round the lugholes.

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This is so bad it goes way beyond 'drop A for B' style tweaking. The team has absolutely fallen apart.

 

I stand by my statement that the Aussies are pretty mediocre, but we've made them look like all-time greats. Johnson is in rare form. I see no comeback for us in this series now.

 

Those who took the plaudits now have to take the brickbats, presumably with the same bad grace.

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I wouldn't call the Aussies mediocre, but they are good. A fair way off being a brilliant team, though.

 

England, on the other hand, are falling to bits and making their opponents look far better than they are. Whoever came up with their "hook at all costs" tactic needs a punch in the 'nads.

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There was another Captain Cook whose first trip down under was a huge success.

 

The next time, in 1779, he got slaughtered...

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I wouldn't call the Aussies mediocre, but they are good. A fair way off being a brilliant team, though.

 

England, on the other hand, are falling to bits and making their opponents look far better than they are. Whoever came up with their "hook at all costs" tactic needs a punch in the 'nads.

Broad needs to be dropped to give his ego a kick.  4 wickets in hand, a deteriorating weather forecast and he comes out swinging like it's the last over of a T20 international.  He'd be sorely missed for the test he's dropped for but that ego really needs to be put in its place.  Also, every other batsman who got out to a hook should be sent for a 6 hour nets session with almost every ball aimed between head and shoulders with a few occasional yorkers to keep their mind on the game.

 

On the team's structure:  Cook and Carberry look like a good opening pair if they could just have a couple of innings to play together without one of them going quickly.  The problem of having Root at 3 is that it looks to everyone as if you don't trust your opening batsmen to stay in for any time as Root plays like a classic opening batsman.  I'd be tempted to move him back to 5 or 6 to act as the solid last big batsman and have Pietersen at 3, Bell at 4.  Pietersen might be a big name but 4 should go to your best batsman and that's Bell by a very long way.

 

Prior saved himself from being dropped with his last innings score but he really should be concentrating on what the team wants him to achieve at number 7, act as a solid wicket when there's a proper batsman opposite him to give a platform for a long innings and act as a scoremaker when he's left with bowlers.  He comes in almost like he's the last great batsman left in the team when he's not, if he returned to playing to his strengths as a supporting act then he'd be a lot better for the team.

 

Something seems to have gone wrong with Swann, he looks about as threatening as a minor counties occasional ball chucker.  It's not the pitches either as Lyon is looking far more threatening despite not being anywhere near as good.  I'd be tempted to drop him for the next game and go with Panesar, putting the pressure on the batsmen above to cover Panesar's almost guaranteed single figure batting and his indifferent fielding.  There's something about Panesar's bowling that causes batsmen to self-destruct and that's about what's needed, he does need a good bowler at the other end to keep pressure up though.

 

On Anderson, he seems to have lost his line and length.  In the past, when he played on pitches that didn't swing he had a different line and length that caused almost as much trouble.  I think he'd get a lot of benefit from working with a coach on where the Aussies are hitting the pitch and seeing what that length would do for him

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Funny how those Aussies who have been saying for the last 8 years that they're not interested in Cricket are suddenly becoming fans all over again. :biggrin:

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The bowlers seem to have finally had enough of covering for the shaky batting line up. Trott's gradual decline (caused by other teams working out how to stop him scoring, and then how to get him out) has been followed by Cook dipping in form and Pietersen deciding that there isn't a problem and continuing to do whatever he wants in any given situation. Behind them are younger players who have yet to become the finished article. I believe that the likes of Root, Ballance, Stokes and Bairstow will be the future of the team but right now Cook, Bell, Pietersen and Prior have to step up to the plate and be the rock that the younger guys can get protection behind.

Sides seem to have had the idea to get after Swann and so far it largely hasn't worked. However, has his recent op taken something out of him? Only he really knows. I wouldn't drop Broad - he's too good.

As for the Aussies - I rate Clarke and Haddin very highly but the rest are more than beatable. Even Johnson, who no longer bowls to the left or right, is a form bowler who could implode if someone got after him, or perhaps shaved off his tache Samson-style. Harris is good and Siddle gives the captain control but none of them are Glenn McGrath, let alone Lillee and Thomson. Lyon ain't Shane Warne either.

For what its worth, these Ashes are gone and its time to man up and see how much damage limitation can be done. We have India, Australia again and South Africa to come. If We get roughed up by Johnson and Harris, what the heck is going to happen when Stein, Morkel and Philander get stuck in to us?

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There's a lot of pressure on Prior.

 

No wonder he's lost form, the top order have had a recent tendency to always collapse, leaving him to try and do a salvage job. I'd bat  him at 3 and tell him to play his natural game. No one else is scoring runs there anyway. Let Root marshall the tail.

 

For Perth, I'd drop Swann and bring in Bresnan ... I'd  prefer Rankin but we need to prop up the batting and fielding.

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England have shown a really alarming lack of bottle too which suggests the problems go deeper than tweaking the line up (like shuffling deck chairs on the titanic).

 

And now we go to the WACA. God help us. That ground there is no need whatsoever for a spinner. KP and Root can do the little that will be required. This is handy as Swann's utter disintegration is almost as spectacular as Trott's. Completely innocuous bowler he is now. Monty is not really the answer either. So Stokes at 7 and Bressy and 8 for mine, and if Tremble doesn't play, he never will.

 

Prior's a lucky ##### as well, saved his bacon with that (largely irrelevant) knock. Odds on we don't get past 250 either innings. This is depressing. I think this team and its hangers on been a bit smug and it's come back to bite them on the rear.

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