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First full poll after the debate shows a big jump to the NO group.

 

Still plenty of time (and no doubt twists) to go.

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I was listening to an excerpt of Salmond in this debate on Today.  What he said about the bedroom tax, that most Scottish MP's voted against, but it made no difference could apply equally well to northern MP's too.  Perhaps there's something in this Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield and Newcastle thing. I've thought of a name for this alliance -the Northern Union - original or what? 

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I can understand the sentiment of voting yes to get rid of the tories/establishment but I think its a big risk.

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I can understand the sentiment of voting yes to get rid of the tories/establishment but I think its a big risk.

On the other side, those voting no just because of Alex Salmond are missing the point...

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On the other side, those voting no just because of Alex Salmond are missing the point...

 

Very true.

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On the other side, those voting no just because of Alex Salmond are missing the point...

hmmm tricky one that ;)

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On the other side, those voting no just because of Alex Salmond are missing the point...

Are there many?

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Are there many?

I know at least two who are definitely voting no because they don't want a SNP government.  I know a few others who I'd have pegged as natural independence supporters who are voting no for some reason they won't articulate but I think has at least some bearing on Eck Salmond.

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First full poll after the debate shows a big jump to the NO group.

 

Still plenty of time (and no doubt twists) to go.

That's a real blow. I was so looking forward to a more representative English parliament with many fewer Scottish socialists in it.

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I was listening to an excerpt of Salmond in this debate on Today.  What he said about the bedroom tax, that most Scottish MP's voted against, but it made no difference could apply equally well to northern MP's too.  Perhaps there's something in this Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield and Newcastle thing. I've thought of a name for this alliance -the Northern Union - original or what? 

 

It's also a flawed argument. I'm sure if they achieved independence there would subsequently be laws that large swathes of Scotland didn't vote for in a new parliament. Would that be an argument for further splitting and independence for those sections of Scotland?

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It's also a flawed argument. I'm sure if they achieved independence there would subsequently be laws that large swathes of Scotland didn't vote for in a new parliament. Would that be an argument for further splitting and independence for those sections of Scotland?

yep, this is my main issue with it

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I know at least two who are definitely voting no because they don't want a SNP government.  I know a few others who I'd have pegged as natural independence supporters who are voting no for some reason they won't articulate but I think has at least some bearing on Eck Salmond.

 

The SNP used to campaign on a platform that if they achieved independence they would disband.

 

Perhaps they should have stuck to that one.

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After just 5 mins of Salmond withering on, it's become clear that the best chance he has of winning a "yes" vote is to let the English have a say.

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Salmond really not coming across well. Interrupting Darling and not answering simple questions. The crowd seen quite pro yes vote though.

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Salmond turning it into a SNP vs. the Tories debate.  Exactly why Cameron wanted nothing to do with the debates.

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I thought Salmond won it.

A triumph of tactics over content.

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I only saw the last 20 mins, but Darling was particularly stuttery, is he always like that?

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Darling was angrier and stuttering.  Salmond pinned him on tory policies plus an illogical leap about Darling admitting Scotland could use the pound (no one said they couldn't, the whole point is the central bank.  Anyone can use the pound).

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Darling was angrier and stuttering.  Salmond pinned him on tory policies plus an illogical leap about Darling admitting Scotland could use the pound (no one said they couldn't, the whole point is the central bank.  Anyone can use the pound).

Surely that's the point.  They can use the pound, but they can't have the pound.  The value of the pound will be controlled by the British government and the Bank of England.  How would that be independence?

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Yes they can use the pound, but Darling saying that will be used by the Yes team despite, as you say, them being 2 different things.

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after 15 minutes I switched to "New Tricks"   . There is just so much anyone can take of the dissembling of Salmond.  Its clear, though that he has been taking lessons - stepping away from his podium and addressing the audience members by their first names.  Why bother? Most people I know want him to ###### off and ###### off now..and take his lies,  his nation, his MPs in Westminster and his haggis with him. 

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