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Phoenix RL - the future of RL in London

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Good luck to them, as long as they don't use Phoenix as their name.

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Skolars aren't really in that area. It's well over an hours trip from where I live in South West London to the Skolars.

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I don't really see the point of this tbh. If it was a way of keeping the Broncos in SL then I could get on board, but we already have two KPC1 clubs down here and creating a third will just further dilute the tiny resources (playing, financial, support) available to the game at that level. If the Broncos die then it's better to leave them dead and get on board with Skolars and Hemel.

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I don't really see the point of this tbh. If it was a way of keeping the Broncos in SL then I could get on board, but we already have two KPC1 clubs down here and creating a third will just further dilute the tiny resources (playing, financial, support) available to the game at that level. If the Broncos die then it's better to leave them dead and get on board with Skolars and Hemel.

 

The idea of growth is to grow....

 

If there is interested parties to add another team then why not?!?!

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The idea of growth is to grow....

 

If there is interested parties to add another team then why not?!?!

There are nowhere near enough players, fans, investors or media interest in London to support 3 KPC1 clubs. You'd be cannibalising Skolars and Hemel to create a third team and thereby re-creating the exact same problems we see in the north where too many small clubs are fighting over the same resources.

 

You don't grow by throwing money all over the shop, you focus your resources in a way that strengthens and builds upon what you've already got.

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I don't really see the point of this tbh. If it was a way of keeping the Broncos in SL then I could get on board, but we already have two KPC1 clubs down here and creating a third will just further dilute the tiny resources (playing, financial, support) available to the game at that level. If the Broncos die then it's better to leave them dead and get on board with Skolars and Hemel.

 

Or you could look on the positive side, which is that a third club has potential to develop the local rivalries and drive crowd numbers in the medium term.

 

It might take 20 years, but one day we'll look back on the Bronco's demise (if it happens) as a turning point that started the revival of Rugby League in the capital.

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There are nowhere near enough players, fans, investors or media interest in London to support 3 KPC1 clubs. You'd be cannibalising Skolars and Hemel to create a third team and thereby re-creating the exact same problems we see in the north where too many small clubs are fighting over the same resources.

 

You don't grow by throwing money all over the shop, you focus your resources in a way that strengthens and builds upon what you've already got.

 

Erm you currently have 1 pro club and 2 semi pro clubs, how exactly will losing a pro club and gaining a semi pro club dilute the resources.

 

London needs to start again from scratch and build one or more pro clubs from the bottom up.

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Erm you currently have 1 pro club and 2 semi pro clubs, how exactly will losing a pro club and gaining a semi pro club dilute the resources.

 

London needs to start again from scratch and build one or more pro clubs from the bottom up.

It really is quite simple, and I'm getting tired of repeating it, but here goes. Rugby League in London does not have the players, fans, investors, media coverage for three KPC1 teams. 

 

Lots of Broncos fans have already been driven away.

All the evidence is clear that people won't pay in significant numbers to watch low level RL - look at London before SL started and look at Skolars now.

The best local players have gone up north or to Australia, the handful remaining will no doubt follow suit or go to union.

There is no longer an academy to produce young players.

Former academy players have already started trialling at union clubs, others are trialling at Warrington, no doubt taken there by Phil Jones.

Point out any signs of investors being interested in a SL club, never mind one in KPC1.

The Broncos have been largely ignored by the local media, same goes for Skolars. Do you think they're the slightest bit interested in another KPC1 club?

 

Putting aside the SL standard players who won't be sticking around, there are maybe 30/40 players down here of required standard for KPC1, currently split between two clubs. Further diluting that between three clubs means even less competitive teams. You're also splitting the spectator base between three clubs, and the potential investors (few and far between that they are) and media coverage. You'd be creating a situation where three teams fight each other and none of them make any progress.

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ignoring all the above arguments, which I think have been covered to one degree or another on the previous thread, this site anyway looks very much like a crank one anyway

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ignoring all the above arguments, which I think have been covered to one degree or another on the previous thread, this site anyway looks very much like a crank one anyway

I think it's very much temporary as an access point for this 'clubs' ideas and goals.

Heck, the club doesn't even exist yet. Pointless shelling out time and money on a fancy website.

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I think it's very much temporary as an access point for this 'clubs' ideas and goals.

Heck, the club doesn't even exist yet. Pointless shelling out time and money on a fancy website.

 

Sorry, should've been clearer. The way its worded etc as much as where its hosted and how it is formatted.

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As a Rugby League fan in Brisbane I would be willing to buy a membership in a London side.

 

Should consider London Spitfires as a name.

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London should have been given far more support and promotion before they were allowed to wither on the Vine.

 

Its a lot easier to build on the foundations you have than keep restarting again and again. IMO

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Good luck to them, as long as they don't use Phoenix as their name.

They could hardly use the Broncos name whilst Broncos still exist on paper.

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It really is quite simple, and I'm getting tired of repeating it, but here goes. Rugby League in London does not have the players, fans, investors, media coverage for three KPC1 teams. 

 

Lots of Broncos fans have already been driven away.

All the evidence is clear that people won't pay in significant numbers to watch low level RL - look at London before SL started and look at Skolars now.

The best local players have gone up north or to Australia, the handful remaining will no doubt follow suit or go to union.

There is no longer an academy to produce young players.

Former academy players have already started trialling at union clubs, others are trialling at Warrington, no doubt taken there by Phil Jones.

Point out any signs of investors being interested in a SL club, never mind one in KPC1.

The Broncos have been largely ignored by the local media, same goes for Skolars. Do you think they're the slightest bit interested in another KPC1 club?

 

Putting aside the SL standard players who won't be sticking around, there are maybe 30/40 players down here of required standard for KPC1, currently split between two clubs. Further diluting that between three clubs means even less competitive teams. You're also splitting the spectator base between three clubs, and the potential investors (few and far between that they are) and media coverage. You'd be creating a situation where three teams fight each other and none of them make any progress.

The spectators are already split. Broncos have existed for 30-odd years. I imagine that few people will travel great distances to watch KPC1 so that a number of Broncos fans will gravitate towards Skolars / Hemel / Oxford anyway but for those who live in West London, the choice is between a short trip to Phoenix RL or a long one to North London. I don't imagine that many from West London will go to Wood Green with or without Phoenix RL.

 

Look the other issues are obviously going to be difficult but the choice is do nothing or do this. I can't see how "do nothing" would improve anything.

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Good luck to them, as long as they don't use Phoenix as their name.

agreed

 

very trite

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The spectators are already split. Broncos have existed for 30-odd years. I imagine that few people will travel great distances to watch KPC1 so that a number of Broncos fans will gravitate towards Skolars / Hemel / Oxford anyway but for those who live in West London, the choice is between a short trip to Phoenix RL or a long one to North London. I don't imagine that many from West London will go to Wood Green with or without Phoenix RL.

 

Look the other issues are obviously going to be difficult but the choice is do nothing or do this. I can't see how "do nothing" would improve anything.

Doing this causes real damage to the other clubs. Doing nothing would allow resources to be focused on the two clubs who have shown themselves to be well run and forward thinking.

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Doing this causes real damage to the other clubs. Doing nothing would allow resources to be focused on the two clubs who have shown themselves to be well run and forward thinking.

I see no damage in friendly competition. London is a huge city and I doubt that many people will travel huge distances to watch KPC1 rugby so most fans will be local. 

 

Skolars have done well out of the "capital challenge". I'm not sure that playing Hemel would have quite the same impact.

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Or you could look on the positive side, which is that a third club has potential to develop the local rivalries and drive crowd numbers in the medium term. It might take 20 years, but one day we'll look back on the Bronco's demise (if it happens) as a turning point that started the revival of Rugby League in the capital.

 

You really don't believe this do you? Have you checked out third tier crowds? What was Hemel,v,Skolars "derby" crowds last year then? Such money spinners that there's enough in the bank to afford Championship salary cap??

 

How well did Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton in traditional areas do on their third tier derby crowds?? They managed an average of 800 a match in 2010. In 20 years time will those "derbies" see those clubs thriving?

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You really don't believe this do you? Have you checked out third tier crowds? What was Hemel,v,Skolars "derby" crowds last year then? Such money spinners that there's enough in the bank to afford Championship salary cap??

 

How well did Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton in traditional areas do on their third tier derby crowds?? They managed an average of 800 a match in 2010. In 20 years time will those "derbies" see those clubs thriving?

From memory the Skolars vs Hemel crowd was the largest of the season other than the game played just before the Challenge Cup final. About 200 speccies higher than a game against an M62 side. Skolars vs Oxford was another bumper crowd.

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