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Bradford Bulls - not sounding good

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Players being told they can leave, big holes in their finances....all courtesy of their fans forum tonight

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Perhaps they should just merge with Leeds. ;) Seriously, I hope they, London and Wakey get themselves sorted, along with Swinton and any other struggling clubs. We need them all.

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Wakefield are sorted.

Sad news re Bradford, I hope they can hang on, London too

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Super League in its present form is not sustainable. What more evidence do we need? Time for change, not through choice but through necessity.

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Super League in its present form is not sustainable. What more evidence do we need? Time for change, not through choice but through necessity.

10 team Superleague. 2 off them from France. 3 from Wakefield, Bradford, HKR, Widnes, Cas , Wakefield and Salford to scrap for places to compete with Wigan, Warrington, Saints, Leeds, Hull FC.

The next 10 make a very competive second tier.

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4 leagues of 10 and a full international calendar, promotion and relegation between all, those that do it right rise, those that don't find their level. No need for mergers, and a strong Home Nation of England, France, Scotland, Ireland and Wales to take up weeks throughout the season, Great Britain, Aus and NZ every 4 years between World Cup times, and International month every Nov with Pacific nations+ AusNZ in the years between.

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I don't know how this is possible. Bradford were, recently, the best supported side in SL. Even though Bullmania is over, there should be more than enough fans to keep them ticking over.

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I see a pattern in why all these clubs are failing: they all have ###### stadiums.

 

I remember seeing an interview with Eamonn McManus last year, done for the opening of Langtree Park. He said that every single match that St Helens played at Knowsley Road they LOST money. Every single match.

 

He also said that at Langtree Park, St Helens could get half their usual attendance, and they would still make a matchday profit.

 

Maintaining and repairing old stadiums are too expensive - they leak money. The lesson is that many of the Yorkshire clubs need a new modern stadium ASAP.

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Not sure between the connection of people running clubs into the ground and different formats in a league.

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Saints should cherry pick Sammutt and reunite him with Walsh - best halfback combo in SL by a mile then

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4 leagues of 10 and a full international calendar, promotion and relegation between all, those that do it right rise, those that don't find their level. No need for mergers, and a strong Home Nation of England, France, Scotland, Ireland and Wales to take up weeks throughout the season, Great Britain, Aus and NZ every 4 years between World Cup times, and International month every Nov with Pacific nations+ AusNZ in the years between.

If we ever did go to 4 leagues of 10, does this mean an 18 game regular season? Seems a bit sparse.

 

I like the idea of extra competition but were talking about an 8 week reduction in the season there. Is that realistic for a club's finances at the top level?

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10 team Superleague. 2 off them from France. 3 from Wakefield, Bradford, HKR, Widnes, Cas , Wakefield and Salford to scrap for places to compete with Wigan, Warrington, Saints, Leeds, Hull FC.

The next 10 make a very competive second tier.

 

In theory if you discount the utter financial disaster of dropping a division in an age where few are interested in second tier RL

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It's a shame Omar Khan's 'health' meant he and his money had to leave.

Things were looking good for the Bulls with their record Provident sponsorship, where on earth is all the money going?

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The daft thing is that Bradford are getting much less central funding than all the other clubs so it shouldn't be surprising that the new owners are having to cut their cloth accordingly.

Incidentally Gateshead SL 1999 went under probably because they were given much less than everyone else too which was even dafter (they got circa £250k less, started with £500k equity plus an overdraft and lost circa £700k after the start up costs and first year).

I know it's a slightly off topic but since people have mentioned it already, clubs actually make comparatively little money per home game (if anything) with most coming from central sources and commercial income. A couple of fewer games would add up to not a lot of reduction in income overall but those who are already losing dosh would obviously be up in arms.

Bradford in time will be a super power again, but there may be a few more fallow seasons before this happens. Good luck to the Bulls.

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Official statement from the club.

 

And some more on the fans forum last night from the local paper.

 

And the playing side of things.

 

Thank you very much for the links.

 

London's demise, Wakefield's demise, and now Bradford's demise (plus the demise of a couple of other clubs who who are managing to keep their matters private, but are clearly dropping playing budgets) leads me to believe that this is the whole reason for the 2 x 12 and 3 x 8 league structure.

 

In the last couple of years whilst some money was flowing at these SL clubs there was some semblance of them competing as Superleague clubs. The advantage of several clubs in trouble means they at least have each other to beat next year, but I doubt that will keep the fans coming. So by 2015 a mechanism is needed to accommodate a not so Superleague in which several clubs could be badly affected further if they had to be thrown to the Lions every week all season.

 

I note the £2.64M wage bill I assume was even higher before administration, and those who believe that so called chomping at the bit for SL Championship clubs can somehow afford Superleague should look very carefully indeed at that figure.

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The main problem I have is that we are now told it was all the previous regimes fault. Before this it was also the previous regimes fault. Etc etc

I don't have a problem with sticking with the club in the bad times and if players leave and they have to use the U16's so be it. But it's all the lying and BS that makes me want to sack it and walk away.

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I believe the only solution is to reform as a KPC1 club and get the RFL to run the academy.

 

That's how it works isn't it?

 

Or to put it another way: FFS, we have the greatest game in the world with some of the most loyal (and annoying) fans and yet this keeps happening time and again.

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Not sure between the connection of people running clubs into the ground and different formats in a league.

 

There isn't one.  Right now, the league format is a distraction not the cause or the cure.

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gingerjon - when Crusaders RL folded we had to restart as a Championship 1 Club as we were a completely new Club (North Wales Crusaders).  This may be the case for Bradford too.  Whatever the situation I wish Bradford and London well for the future and hope they can rescue the clubs in a successful format.

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The main problem I have is that we are now told it was all the previous regimes fault. Before this it was also the previous regimes fault. Etc etc

I don't have a problem with sticking with the club in the bad times and if players leave and they have to use the U16's so be it. But it's all the lying and BS that makes me want to sack it and walk away.

With you on this. The official Bulls twitter account retweeted something from a fan last night along the lines of "Wow, shocking news at the forum but thanks for being totally honest", and I just thought "Yeah, until the next CEO comes along and says he was talking rubbish as well".

 

My gut feeling with the club has always been positivity, I’ll  always give them the benefit of the doubt, but the last few years have slowly chipped away at that to the point where I don’t think I’d trust the board if we were bought out by The Pope and Nelson Mandella. The board have got a heck of a job on to win people round, but it all gets a bit “boy who cried wolf”. I don’t doubt we are in big trouble, it just gets hard to stay passionate in any sort of way.

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With you on this. The official Bulls twitter account retweeted something from a fan last night along the lines of "Wow, shocking news at the forum but thanks for being totally honest", and I just thought "Yeah, until the next CEO comes along and says he was talking rubbish as well".

My gut feeling with the club has always been positivity, I’ll always give them the benefit of the doubt, but the last few years have slowly chipped away at that to the point where I don’t think I’d trust the board if we were bought out by The Pope and Nelson Mandella. The board have got a heck of a job on to win people round, but it all gets a bit “boy who cried wolf”. I don’t doubt we are in big trouble, it just gets hard to stay passionate in any sort of way.

Yes. I was very sceptical last time around but thought that they might be telling the truth and in any case the clubs survival was more important than any misgivings we might have. But how are we meant to accept that *this* time its really a new start? Last time round I was for dropping down a division. I wish we had done that then but definitely should now. I will support an honest Bulls in the pennine league but not a dishonest one winning trophies.

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gingerjon - when Crusaders RL folded we had to restart as a Championship 1 Club as we were a completely new Club (North Wales Crusaders).  This may be the case for Bradford too. 

 

Not a chance for me. There are 8,563 reasons at £20 a head to avoid putting the club into Championship One. As we know from another thread none of them will go to Fartown.

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