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Just had a genuine 'shake your head in disbelief' moment on Facebook - a 'friend' angrily complaining that 'comedy' Mrs Brown's Boys was cut short by ten minutes to allow for coverage of one of the greatest icons in history. I really despair sometimes......

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I'll create this for those who want to discuss Mandela, his legacy and even allow those misguided souls who think he's not worth the adulation.  This keeps the other thread as a genuine condolence thread.

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I've binned someone from my Facebook friends list, he got there first with "Mandela, another terrorist gone, good riddance".  I really just can't see how that's ever appropriate.

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I've binned someone from my Facebook friends list, he got there first with "Mandela, another terrorist gone, good riddance". I really just can't see how that's ever appropriate.

Also seen a few of those pop up, including one imploring people to 'Tell me the difference between Nelson Mandela and Osama Bin Laden'.

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How would you describe his legacy? Does it still live on? Is South Africa in a better place? Do you think it will genuinely kick on, or become another Zimbabwe? 

 

Next 12 months could be interesting. Hi death may remind a lot of Africans of what he stood for and overcame.

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I've binned someone from my Facebook friends list, he got there first with "Mandela, another terrorist gone, good riddance".  I really just can't see how that's ever appropriate.

Three gone from mine already

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FW De Klerk gave an excellent tribute

Dr Klerks contribution to this story must not be overlooked

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FW De Klerk gave an excellent tribute

Dr Klerks contribution to this story must not be overlooked

He earned his joint Nobel Peace Prize regardless of what some revisionists would like to tell us.

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On the OP - I can have some sympathy with people critical of the coverage.

In this day and age Im not convinced BBC need to cut shows when they have 24hr news channels. Surely an announcement and direct people to that channel is appropriate.

Ive watched about 90mins of coverage now and thats probably enough for me. Im not a fan of having it shoved down our throat.

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On the OP - I can have some sympathy with people critical of the coverage.

In this day and age Im not convinced BBC need to cut shows when they have 24hr news channels. Surely an announcement and direct people to that channel is appropriate.

Ive watched about 90mins of coverage now and thats probably enough for me. Im not a fan of having it shoved down our throat.

There's that.  Much of the commentary is pre-made stuff.  For example, the BBC one they showed at 11 was obviously made earlier this year when they thought he'd die as it has his age as 94 on many of the things they showed.  We're struggling to get good quality news about the effects of the flooding round here and the TV is full of pre-made stuff on Mandela, I wouldn't mind in the slightest if it were new commentary or interviews with world leaders, etc but it's not.

 

Yes, his death is one of the year's biggest news stories but then so is the biggest storm surge to hit Britain in 60 years.  At least give us 5 minutes in the hour about the floods.

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Didn't Mrs Thatcher call him a terrorist?

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Didn't Mrs Thatcher call him a terrorist?

No she referred to the ANC as a terrorist group in 1987. Other MPs did refer to Mandela as a terrorist.

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Something started coming out in the 60's that told us apartheid and segregation was coming to an end Rosa Parks,Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela.I too am seriously thinking of binning a person who is not only an FB friend,but also a mate of a lot of years.Its only since ive read his views on FB that I knew had these opinions.I cant do with his very far right views and tonight the things he's posting about Mandela is going beyond the pail

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Didn't Mrs Thatcher call him a terrorist?

She referred to the ANC as "a typical terrorist Organization", in which in 2006 David Cameron had to apologize for.

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She referred to the ANC as "a typical terrorist Organization", in which in 2006 David Cameron had to apologize for.

The same David Cameron who wore a "Hang Mandela" T Shirt when a Conservative Student

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The same David Cameron who wore a "Hang Mandela" T Shirt when a Conservative Student

 

That's youth for you and perhaps regretted in later years.

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I feel lucky to have lived to see the Berlin Wall come down and Mandela's release and election. In neither case has everything been improved, but the world is a better place for both events.

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Didn't Mrs Thatcher call him a terrorist?

Thatcher did describe the ANC as a terrorist organisation, which, by any conventional definition in those days it was, prior to Mandela's release. Organisations that took up arms were either terrorists or freedom fighters, with most conventional politicians describing them as the former, rather than the latter.

 

Thatcher played a key role in Mandela's release, however.

 

In a letter to the then South African Prime Minister P W Botha in October 1985 she wrote: "I continue to believe, as I have said to you before, that the release of Nelson Mandela would have more impact than almost any single action you could undertake."

 

Part of Mandela's greatness was his recognition that the warlike rhetoric of the avowedly Marxist ANC was totally inadequate for the problems he would face after his release.

 

If you look back at the speech he delivered from the balcony of the Town Hall in Cape Town on the night he was released, it was full of Marxist jargon, including a statement that the armed struggle would continue. The speech had been written for him by the ANC, who insisted that on a visit to London soon after his release that he should refuse to meet Thatcher.

 

But on his second visit to London that year he did meet Thatcher and praised her role in ending apartheid, much to the consternation of some of the leading ANC officials.

 

But Mandela was strong enough to lead the ANC in a new direction, ridding it of its destructive tendencies.

 

That really was a remarkable achievement.

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Ok great man etc but we are having it shoved down our throats a bit.

 

Perfect example. Just been listening to 5 live and acceptably they are covering it as a sports/news station but are trying to get anyone who has ever visited South Africa to give an opinion. The had someone from the SA union 95 team on.....followed by someone who painted Mandela....Then they tried to get through to the worlds greats, yes they about to put on former Manchester United South African player Quinton Fortune and get his thoughts. Ok technical difficulties stopped that interview but it was enough to make me switch the coverage off and start looking on the radio bbc i-player for something to listen to.

 

Not being harsh and it is right the media are covering as the main news (probably biggest story of the year) but there are only so many angles they can approach it.

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Just had a genuine 'shake your head in disbelief' moment on Facebook - a 'friend' angrily complaining that 'comedy' Mrs Brown's Boys was cut short by ten minutes to allow for coverage of one of the greatest icons in history. I really despair sometimes......

Mandela wanted to make the world a better place. And cutting short a broadcast of 'Mrs Brown's Boys' shows that even death is no obstacle to him.

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Thatcher did describe the ANC as a terrorist organisation, which, by any conventional definition in those days it was, prior to Mandela's release. Organisations that took up arms were either terrorists or freedom fighters, with most conventional politicians describing them as the former, rather than the latter.

 

Thatcher played a key role in Mandela's release, however.

 

In a letter to the then South African Prime Minister P W Botha in October 1985 she wrote: "I continue to believe, as I have said to you before, that the release of Nelson Mandela would have more impact than almost any single action you could undertake."

 

Part of Mandela's greatness was his recognition that the warlike rhetoric of the avowedly Marxist ANC was totally inadequate for the problems he would face after his release.

 

If you look back at the speech he delivered from the balcony of the Town Hall in Cape Town on the night he was released, it was full of Marxist jargon, including a statement that the armed struggle would continue. The speech had been written for him by the ANC, who insisted that on a visit to London soon after his release that he should refuse to meet Thatcher.

 

But on his second visit to London that year he did meet Thatcher and praised her role in ending apartheid, much to the consternation of some of the leading ANC officials.

 

But Mandela was strong enough to lead the ANC in a new direction, ridding it of its destructive tendencies.

 

That really was a remarkable achievement.

Thanks for that martyn

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Not just youthful silliness perhaps? Today's Indy: Cameron's freebie to apartheid South Africa

It was a fact finding mission. Even if it was funded by an anti-sanctions lobby, it did give him the chance to meet black trades unionists and politicians. I can't see the problem in him going on it.

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Didn't Mrs Thatcher call him a terrorist?

He reluctantly became so. If you read his autobiography, he said that he took up the armed struggle solely because no other avenue of protest was open to the ANC and the regime would regularly use violence against peaceful protestors. I think we can understand why the ANC went down that route. I can also understand to some extent why some consider him to have been a terrorist. I disagree with them but I understand where they are coming from. The ANC did some terrible things during the struggle, I think that a lot of these things troubled Mandela both at the time and later on.

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