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A right to know?

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A right know.

Is it not about time that the supporters were told whats going on? I've heard loads of rumors about the club. They range from we have only got a few days left! to there is a bloke called Dave who is looking at buying the club! If the lions are to be rescued the chances are that all hands will be needed on deck. But for one reason or another we are being told nothing.

My theory is vanity as nobody wants the fools that support the club to know what is going on.

This really is getting beyond a joke. If the lions are to survive we need to know.

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A right know.

Is it not about time that the supporters were told whats going on? I've heard loads of rumors about the club. They range from we have only got a few days left! to there is a bloke called Dave who is looking at buying the club! If the lions are to be rescued the chances are that all hands will be needed on deck. But for one reason or another we are being told nothing.

My theory is vanity as nobody wants the fools that support the club to know what is going on.

This really is getting beyond a joke. If the lions are to survive we need to know.

 

See the Trust website for latest update (6th December)

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Might it be Dave Hughes?

It does seem as though he may be looking for an exit strategy at London and he is a boyhood Lions fan.

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Pathetic is the only word to describe the communications from the club. Even should it survive does it really deserve to ? 

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Pathetic is the only word to describe the communications from the club. Even should it survive does it really deserve to ?

Of course it deserves to survive! The historically great and currently under duress Swinton Lions Club has shown that it's longevity is greater that any of its various owners over the years.

This is not the first and it won't be the last crisis in the club's history.

Don't confuse the survival of the Club with the survival of the ownership.

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...and he is a boyhood Lions fan.

 

And so too was JK (plus me and few thousand others)

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If Swinton RLFC is taken over soon by whoever,then the new owner(s)MUST in my opinion be open and honest about their plans and intentions for Swinton RLFC.That in my personal opinion is the ONLY way to keep the existing fans who go to the games on side and get fans who used to go back into the fold once again.If this does not happen,then Swinton RLFC WILL die,that is the frank and blunt truth.And no one be it Swinton fans or indeed fans of any other RL club want to see that happen.

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The trust are still talking to the council, The Rugby League, Supporters Direct and The Club just in case the Trust have to take control of the club and at the moment the trust cannot out lay the plans and intentions until all the negotiations are over.  It maybe that one of the clubs interested parties complete their take over plans first but the Trust are on standby to take control.  It may seem nothing is happening but I can assure you that there are lots of negotiations taking place behind the scenes .

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The trust are still talking to the council, The Rugby League, Supporters Direct and The Club just in case the Trust have to take control of the club and at the moment the trust cannot out lay the plans and intentions until all the negotiations are over.  It maybe that one of the clubs interested parties complete their take over plans first but the Trust are on standby to take control.  It may seem nothing is happening but I can assure you that there are lots of negotiations taking place behind the scenes .

Thank you for coming on and for your statement.I have read what you have said and OK even though I have not been for some time to the matches I for one fully back what you say and agree with you entirely.I will at some stage soon look at becoming a member of the trust,when cash flow is hopefully better and I would be looking to pay in cash by the way as I don't have a cheque book(old fashioned things that should be scrapped)so some details would be appreciated where to pay etc.I think that if the club is taken over then the trust in my opinion should INSIST on being recognised legally as some sort of co owner and a representative should be given a place on the board of directors.I would also suggest perhaps that if the trust isn't at the moment registered at Companies House as a limited company,it may be an idea to ensure this is done.I might like to suggest that the representatives of the trust seek some initial legal advice as well,there are no doubt solicitors in the Manchester area who would offer a free initial consultation.Whatever happens I wish you luck.

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Thank you for coming on and for your statement.I have read what you have said and OK even though I have not been for some time to the matches I for one fully back what you say and agree with you entirely.I will at some stage soon look at becoming a member of the trust,when cash flow is hopefully better and I would be looking to pay in cash by the way as I don't have a cheque book(old fashioned things that should be scrapped)so some details would be appreciated where to pay etc.I think that if the club is taken over then the trust in my opinion should INSIST on being recognised legally as some sort of co owner and a representative should be given a place on the board of directors.I would also suggest perhaps that if the trust isn't at the moment registered at Companies House as a limited company,it may be an idea to ensure this is done.I might like to suggest that the representatives of the trust seek some initial legal advice as well,there are no doubt solicitors in the Manchester area who would offer a free initial consultation.Whatever happens I wish you luck.

As Riggy has said all the necessary questions are being asked. When the time is right and in fairness something concrete is known then the first port of call has to be an full open meeting with the fans because by god are we all going to have to work together.

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As Riggy has said all the necessary questions are being asked. When the time is right and in fairness something concrete is known then the first port of call has to be an full open meeting with the fans because by god are we all going to have to work together.

Fair comment,and good to see that you are both giving some honest and fair answers.

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No doubt people are working hard to sort this out. However, all this could have been avoided if the Trust had fought to regain the shares it lost in the last restructure. They were stiffed out of what was rightfully theirs and did nothing about it.

I am not having a go at individuals, or the trust, as they do valuable work. But I think that, for the sake of the club, they need to be more aggressive.

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...they need to be more aggressive.

 

Bash!, Wallop! Biff n' bang, Grrrrrrr!

 

Will that do for a start?

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If someone from the trust could contact me we could perhaps get the ball rolling.

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If someone from the trust could contact me we could perhaps get the ball rolling.

you have me as a contact Barnie.

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The biggest advantage of joining or rejoining the Trust is that it not only enables you to hear what is going on, it allows you to have a say. If there is an issue with the way the Trust is run - and I don't believe there is - then at least you have a democratic process and accountability to make your voice heard. By not being a member you're not taking advantage of that.

 

I'd urge fans to sign up. If the worst comes to the worst and the Trust feels that it has to take over, at least you're maximising the size of the war-chest. If there is a new "owner", at least you're maximising the collective power of the fanbase and the influence that it can have, especially if the club is perceived as Salford "A".

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No doubt people are working hard to sort this out. However, all this could have been avoided if the Trust had fought to regain the shares it lost in the last restructure. They were stiffed out of what was rightfully theirs and did nothing about it.I am not having a go at individuals, or the trust, as they do valuable work. But I think that, for the sake of the club, they need to be more aggressive.

Any member of The Supporters' Trust, can submit a nomination form to become a member of the Board (before 20.12.13.). For YEARS this job has been left to (mostly) the same faithful few (as, to put it mildly, others can't be arsed!), who despite having taken quite a lot of stick from the club AND from supporters at times, have loyally STUCK TO THE TASK. If some of the 'bleaters' were more prepared to get their fingers out, get involved on the 'front line' and HELP, things would be easier.

Trust membership is not much more than TWO QUID A MONTH for God's sake and the cost of being a Board Member is simply TIME AND EFFORT.

By Christ, we're gonna need every single snippet of help we can get!

Scott. I can't begin to calculate the number of times a Share Certificate has been requested from the club!

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I can't begin to calculate the number of times a Share Certificate has been requested from the club!

 

Maybe the request should now become a demand as surely this is a legal document that has to be produced when legitimately requested.

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In the old company yes. But a newco was formed a few years back and it is this ( the current company ) that the trust do not hold shares in.

Also depending on the type so share issued they may not have allowed the trust any voting rights, plus the weighting I imagine would have been in favour of the Kidd family.

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In the old company yes. But a newco was formed a few years back and it is this ( the current company ) that the trust do not hold shares in.

Also depending on the type so share issued they may not have allowed the trust any voting rights, plus the weighting I imagine would have been in favour of the Kidd family.

 

A key point being that in the opinion of a good many people, it was unjust for the Trust to not be given shares in the NewCo.

 

Reason being as you well know by now Alan - John Kidd attended a Trust meeting prior to the creation of the NewCo, at which he tabelled 3 options for the Trust's consideration.  The Trust members voted to retain the Trust's independence from the club, in light of a commitment that John gave - i.e. to honour the Trust's shareholding within the structure of the NewCo. The Trust also held a formal board position at that point.  The restructuring also saw the team take a hit of 6 points in the league that season - a cheaper option for John than a legitimate buyout.

 

It is clear from several years of subsequent returns to Companies House that John thus far has never delivered upon the key commitment to provide the Trust with the NewCo shares, which in effect wiped out circa £40k that the Trust had invested directly into the club to that point.  People can hardly be blamed for seriously questioning whether the Trust was treated equitably in such circumstances.

 

We need to face up to it - this was the turn of events that left many previously proactive Trust members, decent people that had bought into the Trust concept and gone the extra mile to raise the money that was vital in saving the club when White & Barrow walked away, feeling cheated.  While people's main anger was focussed on the actions of John Kidd and David Jones, they also felt let down to some degree by the people leading the Trust, as the Trust leadership was put into the kind of situation where a failure to take effective action was almost tantamount to becoming a part of the problem.

 

So its unsurprising that we've seen a drop-off in Trust membership and lessening of the Trust's fund raising ability.

 

If the situation is to now be reversed, the people at the top of the Trust today need to demonstrate not only that they have the right vision, but they are also strong enough leaders.  People quite reasonably want not only the "right to know", but also the "right to be treated fairly" and are fully aware of the track record of that not having happened in the not-to-distant past.

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