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We need our own stadium

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Wembley cost £798 million.  

 

It is also there.  We can use it or we can build our own on land we do not own, save costs by making it not as good (to pay for the land) and then use it two or three times a year.  Do not worry abount maintenance costs, no-one cares about that.

 

Fantastic.  That is the perfect solution to the problem of having almost a billion pounds that you do not want.

 

Or, we could use the good number of stadiums that are already available.

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Leeds City Council

IIRC, the RFL do own the buildings they occupy, having bought them from LCC a while back, but LCC own the land they are built on so it is a leasehold purchase rather than owning the freehold outright.

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Seriously, what would be the advantages over Wembley? To build our own stadium of anything like the required size would cost an amount that the game would be paying back over all of our lifetimes - never mind the ongoing maintenance.

 

I think most sporting organisations are waking up to the fact that the 'Big White Elephant' model is now way since out of fashion. The good news for RL is that our national ground has already been built, more than fulfils our needs and was paid for by someone else. We should rejoice in what a good deal we got for ourselves. Meanwhile, as Manchester United slide back into the pack as far as football is concerned, they'll need us more rather than less.

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Look, as a recent convert far be it from me to get involved in the politics, but the one bit of rugby league I ever watched regular as clockwork before Oxford RL was set up was the challenge cup final, every year for 30 years on the TV. To me, and millions of others that are/were casual viewers of one game a year the challenge cup final *means* Wembley, it's what you expect to see. Moving it back up north (which you would have to because the finances would only have a chance of working if you put everything in it) because it's "in the heartlands" is the kind of small-minded thinking that would have anybody south of the Trent saying "cheerio, don't let the door hit you on the way out."

 

There is an audience for big games south of the M62, the expansion clubs need to be given time to bed in, and the world cup's just been actually quite good.

 

I'm afraid "we need our own stadium" is probably wrong - not when the money could be better spent on development of the game full stop, rather than a totally unnecessary bauble for the big clubs you've already got. The Challenge Cup final is the once a year showcase for what RL is in England, and why people ought to watch it (having said that, I've never been so bored as watching this year's....). The Grand Final is another chance, but it doesn't have the heritage or part-of-the-furniture cut through for the non-committed Englishman outside the M62 (take it from me).

 

Basically, much as I hate London and spend as little time there as possible, we've got to keep the Challenge Cup final there as a statement of intent and "this is us and this is what we do." The pressure to move it in the event of getting a dedicated national stadium would be immense and probably economically irresistible. But it would be the wrong thing to do.

 

Incidentally, the Ricoh would be a starter on paper, but I suspect a hostile bid from a third party (the RFL), doesn't figure anywhere in the Coventry City fans' rescue plans, so it might be affordable, but I guarantee it would be a public relations disaster in the city itself (and one that promised not to go away any time soon).

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If only Man City had kept Maine Road modern over the years, and maintained its original capacity, then City of Manchester Stadium would have represented the greatest opportunity for the RFL to ever take over the running of a suitable stadium.

As others have said though, I think the current arrangements with wembley, old trafford, and to a lesser extent, etihad and cardiff, will continue

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IIRC, the RFL do own the buildings they occupy, having bought them from LCC a while back, but LCC own the land they are built on so it is a leasehold purchase rather than owning the freehold outright.

you are probably right

 

the red hall estate is quite an extensive set up

it hoyuses the councils horticultural department

 

personally I like the ifea of RL HQ being there. It has gravitas

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Agree about Wembley and CCF, that's why I said a groundshare.

LRLFC selling Headingley and LUFC selling ER to fund a new shared stadium in the city, I am sure the lottery and government would also provide funds. Play GF, Magic and all England internationals at it, create a club England mentality. 1000 debentures at £10k for 10 years is a great deposit also, especially if Leeds Utd could do the same. A 60000 seater built in Leeds would cost less than £70m, built on 3 tiers with the top tier open as required

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Agree about Wembley and CCF, that's why I said a groundshare.

LRLFC selling Headingley and LUFC selling ER to fund a new shared stadium in the city, I am sure the lottery and government would also provide funds. Play GF, Magic and all England internationals at it, create a club England mentality. 1000 debentures at £10k for 10 years is a great deposit also, especially if Leeds Utd could do the same. A 60000 seater built in Leeds would cost less than £70m, built on 3 tiers with the top tier open as required

Do leeds rhinos really want 12-18000 fans rattling around in a 60k stadium week in week out?

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Agree about Wembley and CCF, that's why I said a groundshare.

LRLFC selling Headingley and LUFC selling ER to fund a new shared stadium in the city, I am sure the lottery and government would also provide funds. Play GF, Magic and all England internationals at it, create a club England mentality. 1000 debentures at £10k for 10 years is a great deposit also, especially if Leeds Utd could do the same. A 60000 seater built in Leeds would cost less than £70m, built on 3 tiers with the top tier open as required

 

So to avoid sharing a ground your proposal is to share a ground.

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So to avoid sharing a ground your proposal is to share a ground.

 

Agree about Wembley and CCF, that's why I said a groundshare.

LRLFC selling Headingley and LUFC selling ER to fund a new shared stadium in the city, I am sure the lottery and government would also provide funds. Play GF, Magic and all England internationals at it, create a club England mentality. 1000 debentures at £10k for 10 years is a great deposit also, especially if Leeds Utd could do the same. A 60000 seater built in Leeds would cost less than £70m, built on 3 tiers with the top tier open as required

 

A single tier stadium costs around £1,500/seat when you start adding tiers the costs jump significantly upwards. A 60k single tier stadium comes out at around £90m

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So buy the land.

Build a 50,000 - 60,000 capacity stadium.

Maintain a 50,000 - 60,000 capacity stadium.

Fill it 2-3 times a year.

 

or

 

Use Wembley and sell it out to 90,000

 

I'm not finance expert, but I can see which would make money, and which wouldn't...

 

Alternative is buy the Ricoh and have a challenge cup final attended by 32,000.

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Need to know how much its cost to hire grounds, e.g. Wembley, Old Trafford, Etihad, etc.... Then some way of knowing if over a "investment period" how the costs contrasted.

 

As to tradition, e.g. CC at Wembley etc, we all adapt and new generations form their own traditions.  Just like we have adapted to Old Trafford being the GF ground.  

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you are probably right

 

the red hall estate is quite an extensive set up

it hoyuses the councils horticultural department

 

personally I like the ifea of RL HQ being there. It has gravitas

Yes, except that LCC have recently put the whole of the estate up for sale with planning permission for 375 houses, so the HQ could end up being in the middle of a housing estate !

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I did wonder if the RFL would consider basing itself in media city UK like RLWC did.

Seemed like there could have been some advantages to their location? (BBC coverage for eg)

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So buy the land.

Build a 50,000 - 60,000 capacity stadium.

Maintain a 50,000 - 60,000 capacity stadium.

Fill it 2-3 times a year.

 

or

 

Use Wembley and sell it out to 90,000

 

I'm not finance expert, but I can see which would make money, and which wouldn't...

 

Alternative is buy the Ricoh and have a challenge cup final attended by 32,000.

And, not being in the capital, it would be safely out of sight and out of mind for the London-minded national media.

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This is a thread that is worth preserving.  It demonstrates that no matter what the doubts are about the RFL, there are many on here who would do many, many times worse.

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Agree about Wembley and CCF, that's why I said a groundshare.

LRLFC selling Headingley and LUFC selling ER to fund a new shared stadium in the city, I am sure the lottery and government would also provide funds. Play GF, Magic and all England internationals at it, create a club England mentality. 1000 debentures at £10k for 10 years is a great deposit also, especially if Leeds Utd could do the same. A 60000 seater built in Leeds would cost less than £70m, built on 3 tiers with the top tier open as required

Leeds Utd don't own ER either and no one knows who does

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Leeds Utd don't own ER either and no one knows who does

 

 

You're wrong - someone knows.

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As for Headingley! Now that the club dont own the cricket side and they only own part of the Carnegie if they decided to relocate the playing area and southstand Western terrace would become a carpark

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Leeds Utd don't own ER either and no one knows who does

I thought the council bought Elland Road when Leeds were in financial trouble in the 80's and that it was the ownership of Leeds United that was the secret

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I know it's been done on here before but...

After the success of the WC it got me wondering how much it costs to hire a stadium like Wembley or Old Trafford.

Taking into account the money we lose on catering etc it must have cost us a fair bit down the years.

That then brings up the question of location etc.

I know its a bit small at 45000 ( I'm sure it could be extended) but the Ricoh in Coventry could be had for a song. The ground is owned by Coventry Council and a local charity. Coventry City FC's owners SISU have been trying to position themselves so that they can get the ground for far less than its actual value and it wouldn't take much for the council to sell to someone else just to spite SISU who have been pretty obnoxious.

Incidentally the council claim they are making money at the ground and don't need " a third rate soccer club" ( a councillors view) they do ok from concerts and events.

So why would the council sell? Because they are not nor should be in the business of running a stadium.

Its a good idea, but its not going to happen for a very long time if at all. Like many things with Rugby League here we missed the boat years ago.

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