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Joe Whitley

Salford want Sonny Bill and Slater

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Not a hope in 'that nasty place' of the big names coming to Salford

Billy and the other names mentioned still have better prospects in NRL or in SBW case 'wherever!'

Must say I'm looking forward to seeing Bowen in SL.

It may be a swansong deal, but he was playing really well last season and will really test SL opponents

Me too.

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Of course he could tempt them if the amount of money offered was substantial enough to meet their and agent demands and was well above what they currently got.   OK the life style may not be as per Sydney but it would only be a couple of years, hardly a life time.

 

Not saying it will happen and if its only a publicity stunt but can't see how anyone can think a player wouldn't be tempted for an amount of money that they saw as something they wouldn't earn elsewhere, especially one that had already achieved his career goals.

 

 

Exactly.

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Yeah Manchester is a good city but it doesn't have the beaches and the outdoor lifestyle of Aus. Having said that Leon Pryce might be able to sell it to them, he'd rather be on Blackpool beach than Bondi if I recall :-)

 

Get Leon on the case then!

 

 

That could be said for absolutely ANY Rugby League news item.

 

Good point!

 

I doubt they'd be in Manchester though. They'd most likely end up in Salford. Probably on the Quays, which is much nicer than anything Manchester has to offer.

 

I think they'd live in the duldrums of Manchester if the money was right. Chances are it would only be for a year, two tops.

 

Take it to it's conclusion, He gets Williams, Slater, Hayne and Inglis. Then he picks up Roby, Hall, Moon, Brough, Farrell etc. Then he wins everything every year for years to come lets say 28  trophies in 10 years?

 

I think we have been there before and it's not good for the games finances. As for total stars like Williams and Slater the only way top players will sign over here is if they are going to play for a very top club. The criticisms would not be there if he just got his head down and tried to strengthen the game itself in Manchester/Salford.

 

Now if he could find a few rich mates for other SL clubs fine.....

 

I think that's taking it too far. What I hope will happen, and I stand by the fact it will be good for the game, is he will sign a few big names, Salford fans will come flocking back, crowds will improve across the league, clubs will start making some good money, more investors will come in for other clubs and we end up with a Premier League-like competition that is safe and secure, makes those who work hard in it - the players, backroom staff etc - a lot of money and gives the fans some amazing sport to watch. If only...

 

I hope Koukash gets his way. At the end of the day, having big names won't just put more bums on seats at Salford, but every club they play.

 

If someone is willing to shell out, no governing body should stop them.

 

Totally agree with this. No-one stands in the way of football clubs. Look at Chelsea and Man City. Both mediocre, mid-tablers at best, now challenging for the title, selling out the stadium, and attracting big-name players.

 

Personally I like Marwan's 'can do' attitude although I know it does n't always sit well with the bah humbug brigade.

Brian Noble has sensibly steered him to targets that can not only play footie but are charismatic and consequently bring a lot more bang for

your buck.

 

Couldn't agree more.

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That's not the point, though. He has brought in big names like he promised. That's all I was saying.

Yeah but ageing former British internationals are achievable. Top current Aussie internationals aren't. He might as well have plucked half a dozen names out of the NFL rosters. It'll get "thinking big" kudos points from some but he'll never actually deliver on it.

 

When he said he wanted Morley, I don't think anyone thought "oh no that could never happen". Most people thought "fair enough, local lad done well, coming to the end of his career but still a decent name". If Salford make the play-offs then more and better players will be interested next year. Then he could try to poach the likes of Westwood.

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There are very good reasons for the salary cap, but for that we'd have lost a good few clubs from SL chasing success.  Regardless of Dr Koukash's intentions and the real delight players like that would bring to SL games we can't roll it back.  A marquee player rule would be good but it would have to come with affordability criteria, say a maximum salary/revenue ratio or a guaranteed bond from a money-man.

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Totally agree with this. No-one stands in the way of football clubs. Look at Chelsea and Man City. Both mediocre, mid-tablers at best, now challenging for the title, selling out the stadium, and attracting big-name players.

 

This is something that didn't change over night. The really big name players only came when Chelsea and City had already shown that they were for real. It's not just a case of wielding a cheque book, the top players want to be winning cups. If a club breaks into the Champions League then they suddenly start to be taken seriously.

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There are very good reasons for the salary cap, but for that we'd have lost a good few clubs from SL chasing success.  Regardless of Dr Koukash's intentions and the real delight players like that would bring to SL games we can't roll it back.  A marquee player rule would be good but it would have to come with affordability criteria, say an maximum salary/revenue ratio or a guaranteed bond from a money-man.

I agree with that but I'd add that the "luxury tax" mentioned on this forum before needs to be part of this. Clubs need to revenue share otherwise they won't have meaningful opposition.

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2 questions here :-

fans today seem to have an inferiority complex that NRL  stars won't play in SL , partially true , for say a early 20's origin pick ( unless he has had a run in with a clinic or the law )

However Slater, Cameron Smith are 30, , and with the exception of SBW  who commanded  1Million  $ Aus ( £556K )  a year contract at Roosters they are all not on megabucks , when their next deal comes up , they may not command the same value , and a spell with a top ( or a well backed ) SL club can be a possibilty.

 

2nd point is the Cap & the marquee player discussion .

If a club had the sanction to make 1 or two unrestricted marquee player signings there are probably 5-6 clubs  who could take advantage ? a would that be fair to other clubs who can't & Is it fair to fans of those 5-6 clubs who would like to see recognised NRL stars play SL.  

 

I grew up watching Winter RL , where I got a chance to see Brett Kenny , Gene Miles , Wally Lewis , Mal Meninga , Cliff Lyons , Garry Jack , Andrew Ettinghausen ,Langer   apart   from  a brief appearance of Andrew Johns with Warrington . SL has lost the exotic appeal & the Cap / Franchising hasn't exactly proven the mechanism to A) level the competitive  playing arena , or B) steady the financial situation with the SL C) deliver a AnZac beating international side .

 

 

So outside of basic NIHBY rivalry, ( Not In HIS Back Yard ) If the Likes of Koukash . Or Mason , Caddicks , MacManus , Pearson or Davy could bankroll & underwrite marquee signs is the Sport  doing itself down not allowing them ? and would a league able to boast a virtual origin side be more appealing to both fans & ' commercial partners ' ..

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This is something that didn't change over night. The really big name players only came when Chelsea and City had already shown that they were for real. It's not just a case of wielding a cheque book, the top players want to be winning cups. If a club breaks into the Champions League then they suddenly start to be taken seriously.

Take Leeds United as an example of your point one season in teh Champions League wasn't enough to lure big players from abroad.

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Personally I like Marwan's 'can do' attitude although I know it does n't always sit well with the bah humbug brigade.

Brian Noble has sensibly steered him to targets that can not only play footie but are charismatic and consequently bring a lot more bang for

your buck.

They're a good combo.

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SL has lost the exotic appeal & the Cap / Franchising hasn't exactly proven the mechanism to A) level the competitive  playing arena , or B) steady the financial situation with the SL C) deliver a AnZac beating international side .

 

 

 

Absolutely right. The "cap" may have been the right thing to do at the time, but it needs to go. It certainly isn't helping right now and may, in fact, be precipitating gradual decline.

 

Let Dr. K do what he wants. If other teams can't afford to follow, so be it. At least the sport as a whole will get a much needed boost and we'll all be able to bask in the glow a bit. To deny him is sporting Marxism.

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I agree with this having travelled myself. There are buildings in the UK older than the USA itself (the country obviously, not the land)!

 

My cottage, for one. And, anyway, it isn't as if they'd be living in a high rise next door to a family of smack heads. Let's be honest, I'm sure SBW and Slater would love a littlle place is the delightful Cheshire countryside. Good place to bring up kids.

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My cottage, for one. And, anyway, it isn't as if they'd be living in a high rise next door to a family of smack heads. Let's be honest, I'm sure SBW and Slater would love a littlle place is the delightful Cheshire countryside. Good place to bring up kids.

 

Absolutely. A lot of professional golfers based in England live (or lived) in Cheshire, including 2010 Open champion Louis Oosthuizen. It's quiet, there are some amazing houses, and it's close to the airport. Perfect.

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Absolutely. A lot of professional golfers based in England live (or lived) in Cheshire, including 2010 Open champion Louis Oosthuizen. It's quiet, there are some amazing houses, and it's close to the airport. Perfect.

Perfect for Sonny Bill, then! ;) 

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Perfect for Sonny Bill, then! ;)

He'll find it hard to get short leases that match his typical attention span and commitment over the last few years.

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Absolutely. A lot of professional golfers based in England live (or lived) in Cheshire, including 2010 Open champion Louis Oosthuizen. It's quiet, there are some amazing houses, and it's close to the airport. Perfect.

 

Show them the area around Tarporley (where there must surely be more millionaires per square inch than Belgravia) and they'll be jolly happy campers for sure.

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Regarding the salary cap, I believe baseball has or had a rule that allows you to spend over a cap so long as the amount you spend over the cap is matched by putting the same amount back inot the the central pot to redistributed amongst the poor teams/developement of the game.

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Regarding the salary cap, I believe baseball has or had a rule that allows you to spend over a cap so long as the amount you spend over the cap is matched by putting the same amount back inot the the central pot to redistributed amongst the poor teams/developement of the game.

 

Surely that would work brilliantly in RL?

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Regarding the salary cap, I believe baseball has or had a rule that allows you to spend over a cap so long as the amount you spend over the cap is matched by putting the same amount back inot the the central pot to redistributed amongst the poor teams/developement of the game.

Thats an excellent idea. Wouldn't get many spendingover the cap then, well not here in Yorkshire anyway :-)

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In MLB it's called the Luxury Tax. The Yankees pay it every year, the Red Sox most of the time and I dont think many others ever have to.Obviously the cap is set ridiculously high anyway. You dont have to match what you've already paid over but for the Yankees (as serial offenders) it's 40% of whatever they've already paid.

If someone was prepared to cough up the dosh it'd be great but I dont think we can really compare Rugby League in England with MLB. Two completely different universes.

If someone wants to pay money to try and give our sport a boost why not let 'em you miserable so and so's? As for nobody wanting to live around Manchester rather than somewhere warm by the seaside - it doesnt seem to be a problem for the United & City players. Pay them and they will come. If Koukash wants to spend his money on signing whoever he wants, let him.  "but what if he leaves and Salford are in the lurch" I hear you say...yeah, just like they were when he turned up then. RL is a sport, it's supposed to entertain us, why is everyone always so sodding miserable?

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Would be good for the game I think. Recognised names puts bums on seats, and the more money involved in the game the better. There does seem to be a bit of an attitude in British RL of 'we cant do it now, so lets never even think about it'

 

We cant get Thurston, Inglis etc now, shouldn't stop planning for it. And if there is a sniff of getting SBW let it be done

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But was part of the reason for the salary cap not to stop one or two teams dominating by buying up all the talent. How come that's okay now?

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But was part of the reason for the salary cap not to stop one or two teams dominating by buying up all the talent. How come that's okay now?

 

It's a shortcut to homogenous mediocrity. I want to see the excitement of world famous names back in the domestic game. And I don't care whether it's just Salford who do it, if that's what it takes.

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If Koukash has a dream let him live it its his cash and if he gets some decent p[layers from the NRL then good on him, would liven up many a match and be worth the entrance fee which is what sport is all about isn't it?

 

Love the bloke, touch of stardust, hasn't let anyone down yet and is hell bent on getting his side to the top - people like him are called winners by the way - and the rolercoaster ride he promises should be very interesting indeed

 

Dark horses for the top 8 already for me!

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