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Joe Whitley

Who should coach England?

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Jason Robinson, Shaun Edwards or Ellery Hanley.

All are legends, were exceptional players, command respect, and are well-known by the general public. Shaun Wane and Brian McDermott have proved to be great coaches over the past season, but neither tick all those boxes. Good as they may be, they would be unable to raise the profile of the sport nationally in the same way as any of the three aforementioned would be able to.

I think the union lot have already tried that approach with Martin Johnson - it failed miserably.

Assuming you are being serious non of the above have any experience in the modern game and it has moved on apace in a very short time.

Need a coach who can match the Aussies. Perfect man management, perfect understanding of systems and modern game plans etc. It will not be easy.

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I think the union lot have already tried that approach with Martin Johnson - it failed miserably.

 

 

Martin Johnson is no Shaun Edwards. Nice guy though he is (and a good captain), Johnson was a plodding forward. Find me one who's made a great coach.

 

Assuming you are being serious .

 

 

Deadly.

 

 

Need a coach who can match the Aussies

 

Need a coach who can select the right players and bring the best out of them. Edwards, Robinson and Hanley would all be eminently capable. To say they don't understand the modern game is like saying that Stephen Hawking doesn't understand particle physics because he hasn't been working on the Large Hadron Collider recently.

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I think the union lot have already tried that approach with Martin Johnson - it failed miserably.

Assuming you are being serious non of the above have any experience in the modern game and it has moved on apace in a very short time.

Need a coach who can match the Aussies. Perfect man management, perfect understanding of systems and modern game plans etc. It will not be easy.

Has it really "moved on apace"..? The style of play is in a different cycle of fashion no doubt but as for the rest of it...nevermind thinking outside the box in terms of a coach perhaps we actually need a coach who thinks outside the box...a non-formulaic approach may well work wonders in the series of one offs the international game is...

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Who would have the job tho? Is it a better job than coaching wigan or leeds I dont think it is therfore to get the best coach available it would have to be part time id go for wayne and I agree structure wins rugby games and wayne is best at teaching structure.

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Given that McNamara might take up a position at the Roosters as an Assistant Coach its quite conceivable he'll keep the job on a part time basis.

 

He may well follow the trend and play catch up by immersing himself in the NRL and all the processes, tactics and management that is required to succeed in it.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if this came to pass.

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Martin Johnson is no Shaun Edwards. Nice guy though he is (and a good captain), Johnson was a plodding forward. Find me one who's made a great coach.

You made no mention of coaching ability in your praise of your selection, only great captains and high public profile etc. etc. which is why I responded with the Johnson example and asked if you were serious.

You replied to a point I did not make.

Deadly.

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Need a coach who can select the right players and bring the best out of them. Edwards, Robinson and Hanley would all be eminently capable. To say they don't understand the modern game is like saying that Stephen Hawking doesn't understand particle physics because he hasn't been working on the Large Hadron Collider recently.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Hawkin's greatest achievement on the preservation of information on the event horizon of black holes has subsequently been proved to be wrong.

 

 

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Daryl Powell is an interesting one. Is he the coach on everyone's lips - probably not. But there is one thing he has done is beat the Aussies as a player (3 times including home and away).

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Shaun Wane deserves a crack at it. A proven winner of everything available in SL and at academy level. His passion, eye for talent and tactical structures would take the England team up a level.

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Shaun wane has proved the doubters wrong each year, he clearly knows what he is doing and won't let media pressure get to him, he picks his players to match his strategy and backs them to the hilt, the wigan players clearly want to play for him and give their all each week, I can't recall any player say a bad word about him so he clearly has the man management skills,

What is also impressive is his ability to build and implement successful structure, his backroom team is impressive and I should imagine he has a large input with wigans development pathways.

Lastly his emphasis on youth development could help the RFL's strategy of expanding the player pool.

This needs to be a full time position and sadly I think wane is enjoying club footy too much....

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Wane or Mcdermott aren't gonna take such a job at this stage of there lives, think Daryl Powell is great coach who knows how to motivate his charges as is Mark Aston at Sheffield/Ireland. We need to think outside the obvious box.

Whilst they are great coaches they are a long way away from being top professional managers!

The national team needs a manager, aston and powell would be great coaches under a manager on a part time basis?

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With the exception of Shaun Wane and Brian Mcdermott, every name mentioned so far would be a risk, and at best on par with the appointment of Steve McNamara.

Hanley has been out of the game far too long, and as much as i loved him as a player, and as good as he appeared when at Saints, he would need a couple of seasons as a current SL coach to be seriously considered.

 

Edwards, although he's proved to be a decent union coach, and had coached to a degree while a player at Wigan and other clubs, like Hanley he's been out of the loop for too long to be seriously considered without a couple of years coaching in SL, unless of course he took on more a manager role and had a decent back room staff of current RL coaches.

 

Robinson has no coaching pedigree whatsoever to my knowledge.

 

Daryl Powell is a decent enough shout, but without the success in SL of the likes of Wane and McDermott he's likely to be behind both of them in the pecking order.

 

I think it will be a part-time position, and i think they'll offer it to Shaun Wane first, if he says no, to Brian McDermott.

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I don't see why it has to full time at the moment?

As long as the successful candidate is full time 12-18 months out from the rlwc2017, I can't see a problem.

Sign Wane on a 3 year part time deal as head coach, with a full time assistant coach.

Hopefully Wane would then be happy to stand down from club duties (for at least a year) at the end of 2016 SL to take the reins full time through to the WC

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not got a problem with the coach being part time...but we do need someone else in a director of RL role to organise the ETS,knights,training camps etc....

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Do you think it needs to be full-time right now?

 

I think it does on balance. Whatever you think of McNamara, the actual structure behind England and the whole “second club” mentality is as strong as it’s been since I’ve been watching RL (not as long as some on here, granted). A lot of that I think is down to him working at it in a time period that couldn’t be afforded to someone also working at club level. Could they employ someone full time to work on something like this that wasn’t the head coach? Sure, but it’s all about perception. We want to be the best international RL team on the planet, and are we seriously going to do that with a part time coach?

 

I also think it causes unnecessary friction around the squad. When Nobel was coach of GB back in 2005, everyone cried foul that he picked Harris and Deacon because they played for his club – now those two had just lead the bulls on a 10+ game hot streak to become champions, but it shouldn’t be hard to justify the halfback combination of the reigning champions just because you coach them at club level. There is going to be a bit of that always even with a full time coach, but why invite it?

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Surely whoever gets the job it should be on a full time basis.

 

I do not consider that S Mc. has any proven ability as a coach - on the field of play, his record at both club and country backs that statement up, indisputably, a coach is judged on their successes or failures.

 

People keep saying that he is an excellent administrator and he put in great systems, of training, bonding, familiarity etc, etc. This I will concede, there has been a vast improvement in this area, by far much better than the get together the week before the event. But let us not forget that he has had an advantage that no national coach before him has had the benefit of, in that he has been afforded the time and resources to put in pace and execute his ideas and strategies.  

 

So it is of my opinion, that whoever gets the position can only be measured against S Mc. if they are to be given/allowed the same finance, availability and shielded from any other influence i.e. a club post.

 

The importance and responsibility by us the RL public of whoever the incumbent proves to be is far far greater collectively to us than who is the coach of Wigan or Leeds or any other SL or NRL club, we need someone focused solely on the job in question with no distractions, and has as been proved in the past by some multi-tasking club and country coaches loyalty to their own club personnel, when others may be more worthy of a place in the squad/team, no coach should be put in that position to be stood up for criticism.

 

So for me it is a full time job.        

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But let us not forget that he has had an advantage that no national coach before him has had the benefit of, in that he has been afforded the time and resources to put in pace and execute his ideas and strategies.  

 

Really interesting post, although wasn't David Waite the first full-time international coach in this country (GB not England granted)? I do think McNamara has had more resources that Waite had, but as you say this should certainly continue

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Who in their right mind would ever want the job?  Only second in being a thankless task to being the England football manager.

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If its a part time post and doesnt mean the coach has to leace his club, then id like to see maybe a 2 man effort in charge of England, someone like John Kear for their experience and Shaun Wane or another up and coming young coach working alongside.

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Andrew Johns

 

He talks a lot about the different styles he used to like to watch and he has a point

 

He is seen as a top skills coach in Aus, he has the right mentality and the right background and 4 years to get it right with the same staff to begin with from this RLWC which gives continuity and hopefully progression

 

It wont matter if he is in Aus for half the year because he will be able to look at/coach/assist the players over there as well - its the back room staff that will make it all work so all the faces that were there with McNamara should initially stay, Johns in to review what they did along with the RFL:, and then see what he has to offer to improve it

 

WE fail in the halves as much as anywhere else and we need someone who can identify/motivate/coach half backs at the highest level

 

Even if hes not head coach we should be looking at skills coach for that reason alone

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I don't see why it has to full time at the moment?

As long as the successful candidate is full time 12-18 months out from the rlwc2017, I can't see a problem.

Sign Wane on a 3 year part time deal as head coach, with a full time assistant coach.

Hopefully Wane would then be happy to stand down from club duties (for at least a year) at the end of 2016 SL to take the reins full time through to the WC

 

Who would the assistant coach assist if he is full time? who would be leading him?

 

Who would he be coaching full time?

 

Would he be watching all the players and looking after team affairs and be in contact with all the players? (wouldn't he then be the Head Coach)?

 

In Soccer Roy Hodgeson is full time, Gary Neville joins him when the squad meet up to coach the players, i.e part time........

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