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NWC voted on summer a few years ago. Around 15 clubs voted for it but a good number in the room wanted to move, they just didn't put their hand up worried how it would be seen if summer didn't happen. It was clear, even then that there was a number who wanted the summer option.

Then a summer league was set up. And clubs (which have members - usually players - and respond to their members) had a choice.

And now we are where we are.

It really has been that simple! There was a choice and people chose, which precisely how it should be!

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NWC voted on summer a few years ago. Around 15 clubs voted for it but a good number in the room wanted to move, they just didn't put their hand up worried how it would be seen if summer didn't happen. It was clear, even then that there was a number who wanted the summer option.

Then a summer league was set up. And clubs (which have members - usually players - and respond to their members) had a choice.

And now we are where we are.

It really has been that simple! There was a choice and people chose, which precisely how it should be!

There was also a lot of persuasion from certain quarters (RFL) ..............but let's not bring that in to the equation because it wouldn't look very good through those rose tinted glasses of yours.......would it?

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And if you want to know just how much persuasion ask Mr Girvin himself!

He was less than impressed IIRC!

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Persuasion! Thought it was cohersion, nay enticement! Was there, nudge nudge , wink wink, brown paper bags or did the RFL say it's our ball your not playing?

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No one persuaded our club, of offered any incentives, or anything of the kind. We voted on what was our best option to grow and develop. The concept of incentives etc. is a complete myth which an ever more isolated few continue to pedal when a stark reality is...clubs have CHOSEN summer - that's what i see through my supposedly rose tinted spectacles and I'm glad I do as i find it quite bizarre that some think CLUBS shouldnt choose for themselves what they want to do!

For what it's worth I've said on here before that the Girvins deserved credit for running the league and also, for letting their be an open discussion about summer/winter and forwarding the info about the summer option on to the clubs so they could decide what they wanted to do for themselves. A lot of rubbish and conspiracy theories were banded around at that time about 'going behind the leagues back' when it was the league itself that sent the info on! Some people just made things up to play silly games.

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Yes......all those phone calls were total nonsense, a mere figment of the imagination of those that picked up the phone!

The RFL bods that contacted the clubs or went to meet with them never existed either, they were just imposters!

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Sometimes a silly question gets a silly answer but I'll ask it anyway...

Why shouldn't a club meet or have a phonecall with the Governing body?

Ever since getting involved with running a club I've struggled with the whole concept of being possibly denied a right to speak to whoever I might want - or to hear from whoever I might want - because of some outdated and utterly irrelevant structure of 'how it's always been done'. The LE (wrongly) condemned the RFL at the time because they had corresponded with clubs without prior permission of the league...why prior permission should ever have been needs is simply bizarre to me.

If someone from the RFL wanted to call - good! If someone from the RFU wants to so be it...I can listen, take it in, form a view and decide. What gives anyone a right to decide who a CLUB should or shouldn't have a discussion with?

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Interesting to note that Ron Girvin, who has fought to keep the NWC OA League going against all sorts of propaganda and nonsense from the RFL over the last few years, has now been honoured by the RFL and given Life Presidency of the NWCML the league that has effectively ended the NWC OA League's existence!!!

I do sometimes wonder about how the dark forces really work!

If he had so much grief, and was so upset, why has he accepted the offer of this role from the RFL?

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Still a shame that a once vibrant league is no more or soon not to be .

We can argue the toss for months even years to come and time will tell , perhaps the Girvins were beaten into submission after dedicated many years in providing rugby for thousands of RL people .

OA rugby like football was and still is in decline , summer rugby as not stopped the rot despite the romantics view .

It's an experiment which still as the jury out as to its benefit to the game , think its best to work with what we have been left with but lets not forget the move in seasons was not led by the community clubs it was at the brainchild of someone at the RFL who saw the community game as the cash cow saviour .

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From the outside looking in the north west was always going to be split as teams in the non traditional rl areas where always going to want summer to allow use of rugby union players and facilities

The dam broke when the dominant team of the time opted to switch in bank quay bulls and the others didn't want to be left behind

The nwc was then left with clubs of varying abilities and to many mismatches to ever be feasible players want competitive rugby and won't turn up for floggings

It'll be a shame if the league ceases the question is what next for golborne and Dalton the latter of whom are staunch for winter due to Paul Crareys BARLA open age coaching status them clubs now need a suitable league in the season of there choice

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Without wanting to test any individuals' integrity, maybe the fact that Neil Girvin has been given a paid role by the RFL may shed some light on this matter

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Without wanting to test any individuals' integrity, maybe the fact that Neil Girvin has been given a paid role by the RFL may shed some light on this matter

So in one post he's gone from a bastion of the sport being attacked by the RFL, to a paid lackey of that very same organisation. Wow! Even for the conspiracy BS on this forum that's some going.

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You really have no idea have you?

The RFL shat on all the hard work Ron put in to decades of running the NWC OA when they purposely enticed clubs away from it........FACT!

Now we have the irony of his Life Presidency with NWCML..........a league he has had no involvement with?

He could've declined the invitation.......(is it compulsory to write 'FACT!' here?)

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If you want to know why rugby league is failing at some levels, don't consult the calendar or the meteorpgical chart, just read some of the pathetic nonsense on this forum.

Rugby league has been held back by small minded individuals for over a century. Whether it can survive another century without a change in mentality is another question.

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You really have no idea have you?

The RFL shat on all the hard work Ron put in to decades of running the NWC OA when they purposely enticed clubs away from it........FACT!

Now we have the irony of his Life Presidency with NWCML..........a league he has had no involvement with?

His Life Presidency is over North West Rugby League. This covers both NWC & NWML, maybe a suprise to you but both leagues speak to each other

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LOL............but it's not odd that Ron Girvin is now Life President of a League he has never been involved with?

Isn't the core of the teams the same though? Is he being honoured for serving those teams for years regardless to what month the teams are playing in? Isnt the league practically the same but in summer? ?

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