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Keighley Cougars plan £5M stadium.

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I can see the stumbling block. This bunch of crooks can't fill a big hole in a city centre, never mind get behind that.

 

Architects rubbing their hands with glee over the money coming their way from the council for some grand designs that will be ob the front page of the T&A but will nevr come to fruition. Brown paper bags, bunging mates a few quid.

 

I hope it does come off, cos the stadium at the moment is a relic and anything to improve the lower leagues. But Bradford council don't have a good track record in supporting grand schemes.

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I can see the stumbling block. This bunch of crooks can't fill a big hole in a city centre, never mind get behind that.

Bigger stumbling block seems to be total dependence of scheme on external funding. Big difference between applying for grants and getting them. Good on keighley for putting wheels in motion though.

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Stripping the main stand back to its steel frame and rebuilding is a very interesting idea.

It would save a lot of money in demolition and construction and could be a financially viable way for other clubs to improve their facilities.

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Donny is potentially a sleeping giant now......

 

If ever a club was "damned with faint praise", this is it.  They have the potential to become - at some point in the future - a "sleeping giant". :lol:

 

The term "sleeping giant" implies that they have, in the past, been a "giant".  Doncaster have never been a giant.  Nor do they have the potential to become one.

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Good Luck to you.  Been waiting 21 years for ours ! at Swinton

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Good luck to Keighley, really hope this comes off. Great community club and it is always one of the first I look for when the fixtures are released, I love going to Cougar Park particularly as it holds happy memories of my first away trip with Leigh. 

 

One thing though, a condition of planning permission should be that the club has to continue selling those pies, beautiful! 

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Is the new construction on the existing site or in some other part of town.

 

If only as far as the stadium is concerned comparisons could be made with the Leigh Sports Village, anyone who has visited will concede that it is a superb facility, multi-functional with separate athletics track and field set up, swimming pool, 2 further grass rugby fields, all weather pitch (same as Widnes) and multi-sports 5 a side type pitches, it also houses Leigh East ARLFC with a fantastic 200+ club house and changing facilities.

 

But lets go back to the RL side of things, the Leigh club fully expected and probably deserve more bums on seats than they get since the move to LSV, there is very little improvement on the old Hilton Park days as far as numbers of speccies, would Keighley expect to see an improvement as far as the paying public is concerned, or and it is a big or, are the spectators still there?

 

I well remember the Cougar days and thought it a travesty that they did not get their place in the top echelon, of the top of my head I seem to recall the average attendance was somewhere in the 4 to 5K numbers, which again I will throw the in the Leigh comparison that when they won the League in 81/82 season they averaged 6K, with the passing of time and other distractions other than going to watch your local RL team, is there an audience lost for good?

 

I sincerely hope that Keighley get the go ahead, and it proves to be very successful, but is it the best way to get the crowds back? or is to invest in players is the way to go?

 

Chicken and egg situation this, which should come first.

 

As for the poster who thinks that they should be shut and the money given to the Bulls, all I can say is why throw good money at bad, in the same sense perhaps Leigh should not have all that spent on them and it should have gone to Wigan? 

 

 

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Is the new construction on the existing site or in some other part of town.

 

If only as far as the stadium is concerned comparisons could be made with the Leigh Sports Village, anyone who has visited will concede that it is a superb facility, multi-functional with separate athletics track and field set up, swimming pool, 2 further grass rugby fields, all weather pitch (same as Widnes) and multi-sports 5 a side type pitches, it also houses Leigh East ARLFC with a fantastic 200+ club house and changing facilities.

 

But lets go back to the RL side of things, the Leigh club fully expected and probably deserve more bums on seats than they get since the move to LSV, there is very little improvement on the old Hilton Park days as far as numbers of speccies, would Keighley expect to see an improvement as far as the paying public is concerned, or and it is a big or, are the spectators still there?

 

I well remember the Cougar days and thought it a travesty that they did not get their place in the top echelon, of the top of my head I seem to recall the average attendance was somewhere in the 4 to 5K numbers, which again I will throw the in the Leigh comparison that when they won the League in 81/82 season they averaged 6K, with the passing of time and other distractions other than going to watch your local RL team, is there an audience lost for good?

 

I sincerely hope that Keighley get the go ahead, and it proves to be very successful, but is it the best way to get the crowds back? or is to invest in players is the way to go?

 

Chicken and egg situation this, which should come first.

 

As for the poster who thinks that they should be shut and the money given to the Bulls, all I can say is why throw good money at bad, in the same sense perhaps Leigh should not have all that spent on them and it should have gone to Wigan? 

 

 

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Is the new construction on the existing site or in some other part of town.

 

If only as far as the stadium is concerned comparisons could be made with the Leigh Sports Village, anyone who has visited will concede that it is a superb facility, multi-functional with separate athletics track and field set up, swimming pool, 2 further grass rugby fields, all weather pitch (same as Widnes) and multi-sports 5 a side type pitches, it also houses Leigh East ARLFC with a fantastic 200+ club house and changing facilities.

 

But lets go back to the RL side of things, the Leigh club fully expected and probably deserve more bums on seats than they get since the move to LSV, there is very little improvement on the old Hilton Park days as far as numbers of speccies, would Keighley expect to see an improvement as far as the paying public is concerned, or and it is a big or, are the spectators still there?

 

I well remember the Cougar days and thought it a travesty that they did not get their place in the top echelon, of the top of my head I seem to recall the average attendance was somewhere in the 4 to 5K numbers, which again I will throw the in the Leigh comparison that when they won the League in 81/82 season they averaged 6K, with the passing of time and other distractions other than going to watch your local RL team, is there an audience lost for good?

 

I sincerely hope that Keighley get the go ahead, and it proves to be very successful, but is it the best way to get the crowds back? or is to invest in players is the way to go?

 

Chicken and egg situation this, which should come first.

 

As for the poster who thinks that they should be shut and the money given to the Bulls, all I can say is why throw good money at bad, in the same sense perhaps Leigh should not have all that spent on them and it should have gone to Wigan? 

 

It's redeveloping the current ground. 

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If ever a club was "damned with faint praise", this is it.  They have the potential to become - at some point in the future - a "sleeping giant". :lol:

 

The term "sleeping giant" implies that they have, in the past, been a "giant".  Doncaster have never been a giant.  Nor do they have the potential to become one.

 

They have however been "sleeping" for a good while now. ;):lol: 

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Stripping the main stand back to its steel frame and rebuilding is a very interesting idea.

It would save a lot of money in demolition and construction and could be a financially viable way for other clubs to improve their facilities.

it could be more costly

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it could be more costly

I don't know if it is still the case but if you didn't completely demolish a building (ie left some steel frame work standing) you could qualify for certain EEU grants under some scam/euro legislation or other. If this still applies then it may be actually cheaper.

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lord lucan will be found before we build something lol

 

That would be lucky.

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That would be lucky.

It would be a bit of a gamble as well

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Does the club currently own the ground/stadium?

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It would be a bit of a gamble as well

 

If they are lucky Dublin the stake may happen.

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As for the poster who thinks that they should be shut and the money given to the Bulls, all I can say is why throw good money at bad, in the same sense perhaps Leigh should not have all that spent on them and it should have gone to Wigan?

Keighley shouldn't be shut! Dont misquote me!

I am saying that what will be achieved by upgrading a feeder clubs facilities that won't attract any extra players, sponsors and a handful of extra fans?

The five mill would be better upgrading the areas professional clubs facilities, and while they're at it give them back their TV cut! This would help propel RL in the area, a smaller club competeing for fans/sponsors/etc has a weakening effect!

As for leigh what good has it done them?

5 mill is a lot of money to waste!

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Does the club currently own the ground/stadium?

I was under the impression that the RFL had purchased the stadium some years ago?

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I have never been a fan of mergers because every time one happens we lose a little more territory to other sports and shrink back. In Aus and the USA where there are feeder teams that play high standard sports in decent stadiums its a good idea to have a regional pinnacle, in the UK, naff idea - see the Welsh regions for that recent debacle. RL in the UK wouldn't do any better with far less money.

 

Good on Keighley, 21st century ground which would host i would guess more than just RL and if I was them run with an all weather pitch - maximise income and link directly to the Bulls rather than Dewsbury, or even with Dewsbury, because its an obvious way to access player talent and make sure RL moves forward in a traditional area rather than watch it shrink as it seems to be in Bradford and the surrounding area right now, thanks in no small part to some right whazzocks being in charge there

 

Sport is cyclical, like everything else, and i cant see why Keighley cant have a decent ground and team, and everyone in that area help each other out to get through tough times.

 

I always thought the dream was a strong second tier as well as SL. There was a danger of teams disappearing outside SL but with the relative success stories of Sheffield, Leigh, Fev, Batley, Doncaster, all with progress on the filed and most with better stadiums than some of the SL teams, i would expect some SL teams in future to fall back naturally and these other teams to move up organically.

 

Donny is potentially a sleeping giant now, Fev are for better or worse making all the right noises in an area where 2 sl teams are struggling financially and that's just to remain competitive, so why not Keighley in 5-10 years time or less?

 

It keeps RL strong in the Bradford area and a natural competitor might actually bring the best out of the Bulls anyway.

 

I,m with you here but I hope you are ready for the onslaught to come from the gurus of the divine rights of SL.

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Keighley shouldn't be shut! Dont misquote me!

I am saying that what will be achieved by upgrading a feeder clubs facilities that won't attract any extra players, sponsors and a handful of extra fans?

The five mill would be better upgrading the areas professional clubs facilities, and while they're at it give them back their TV cut! This would help propel RL in the area, a smaller club competeing for fans/sponsors/etc has a weakening effect!

As for leigh what good has it done them?

5 mill is a lot of money to waste!

 

Firstly, I don't think Keighley want to be or regard themselves in any way shape or form as a feeder club to Bradford.

 

Secondly although politics has thrown the two communities under a common governmental organisation, in fact, geographically and historically they are two separate entities and the two clubs have a role in representing their own community and need to remain independent entities. If Keighley had not been abolished as an independent self governing council, I am sure the Cougars would have achieved a new stadium with local help long before now.

 

5 million might obtain a new stadium for Keighley but it would be a drop in the bucket as far as fixing up Odsal is concerned.

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I'm with you here but I hope you are ready for the onslaught to come from the gurus of the divine rights of SL.

 

You would be with him when he announces Doncaster are a sleeping giant of RL because they can play at the Town's shiny soccer stadium. Leigh are a sleeping giant now shurely as will Keighley be with this stadium. You know it's not true.

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Keighley shouldn't be shut! Dont misquote me!

I am saying that what will be achieved by upgrading a feeder clubs facilities that won't attract any extra players, sponsors and a handful of extra fans?

The five mill would be better upgrading the areas professional clubs facilities, and while they're at it give them back their TV cut! This would help propel RL in the area, a smaller club competeing for fans/sponsors/etc has a weakening effect!

As for leigh what good has it done them?

5 mill is a lot of money to waste!

Keighley aren't a feeder club, to say so is disrespectful. They are a team in a lower league, if they hadn't been shafted in '96 who knows what might of happend. Never again Will we see a lower league side contain the current England coach, stand off and other internationals.

By your logic you're saying there's only the top tier that means anything and sod the rest.

If keighley get the investment it's Keighleys money to build a ground for those that do or might support keighley in the future. Stating they should give it up to a bigger club is basically bullying.

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£5m will actually pay for a perfectly suitable stadium...

boston uniteds new stadium cost £5m

 

Suitable for what, I thought Keighley had SL ambitions, or was that waffle for the species.

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Firstly, I don't think Keighley want to be or regard themselves in any way shape or form as a feeder club to Bradford.

Secondly although politics has thrown the two communities under a common governmental organisation, in fact, geographically and historically they are two separate entities and the two clubs have a role in representing their own community and need to remain independent entities. If Keighley had not been abolished as an independent self governing council, I am sure the Cougars would have achieved a new stadium with local help long before now.

5 million might obtain a new stadium for Keighley but it would be a drop in the bucket as far as fixing up Odsal is concerned.

For your first point its a noble cause doomed to failure,

For your second the council merged if you will to pool resources, Bradford being the senior partner....

Shouldn't rugby league follow the successful model?

And finally if 5 mill will build you a whole new stadium it should be enough to modify parts of odsal or at the very least buy the lease back!

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Keighley aren't a feeder club, to say so is disrespectful. They are a team in a lower league, if they hadn't been shafted in '96 who knows what might of happend. Never again Will we see a lower league side contain the current England coach, stand off and other internationals.

By your logic you're saying there's only the top tier that means anything and sod the rest.

If keighley get the investment it's Keighleys money to build a ground for those that do or might support keighley in the future. Stating they should give it up to a bigger club is basically bullying.

Iffs and butts wont change what's happened, its time to move on!

Lower league clubs are vital to the game but they need to realise they are a lower league club and are in the lower leagues for a reason! They could form a beautiful friendship with the bulls but choose to struggle on alone!

RL needs a pyramid structure in each area, in some areas there is no clear top team, in this area that battle has been fought and won! Its time to move on and each club play their part in driving the game forward!

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