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walter sobchak

Auckland 9's

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Apparently the Auckland 9's is heading for a sellout on both days with 36,000 tickets sold for each day even though the tournament is 2 months out. I have to admit 9's or 7's aren't my cup of tea but if they are creating big income streams and profits for the game, gaining media attention and raising the profile of RL in NZ then I can see the bigger picture and I'm all for it. Maybe adding an international dimension to future tournaments with the inclusion of say Fiji, png, England, USA etc would grow the event even more and expose players from developmental nations to even more top class RL other than the world cup.

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Is this going to be on Premier Sports? Any legs in a uk or French version for Superleague?

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Is this going to be on Premier Sports? Any legs in a uk or French version for Superleague?

Great idea to help spread the game in France for Superleague, fast flowing footy and beats that weird thing where u have a full round at Wembley.

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Great idea to help spread the game in France for Superleague, fast flowing footy and beats that weird thing where u have a full round at Wembley.

what weird thing?

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Would we get behind it in th Uk? We wax lyrical when the Aussies try something new but moan and call it a farce when te RFL try anything.

I think a 9s tournament in the middle of summer would be great, my even invite Union team to take part.

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It should be a strategic objective of the International RL Board to get 9s in both the Olympics and the Commonwealth games.  It would provide an excellent way of growing the game internationally.

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Would we get behind it in th Uk? We wax lyrical when the Aussies try something new but moan and call it a farce when te RFL try anything.

I think a 9s tournament in the middle of summer would be great, my even invite Union team to take part.

erm...the carneige 9's

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It should be a strategic objective of the International RL Board to get 9s in both the Olympics and the Commonwealth games.  It would provide an excellent way of growing the game internationally.

 

earlier this year the RLEF did a Q&A on facebook and i asked whether the RLEF thought a european 9's comp/series would be a good way to showcase RL in europe and potentially lead to a (re)introduction of the world 9's...

 

the short answer i got was....NO

 

its exactly the opposite stance the IRB have to 7's....they are using it to spread the sport around the world and a catalyst to bringing more nations into the 15man game...

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earlier this year the RLEF did a Q&A on facebook and i asked whether the RLEF thought a european 9's comp/series would be a good way to showcase RL in europe and potentially lead to a (re)introduction of the world 9's...

 

the short answer i got was....NO

 

its exactly the opposite stance the IRB have to 7's....they are using it to spread the sport around the world and a catalyst to bringing more nations into the 15man game...

That's a shame. I've often thought a Euro 9s series would be an excellent way of doing what you suggest.

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the RFL did a half hearted job in trying to get 9's going over here, and clubs didn't buy into it, but always thought it would be a great event if done properly.. like the NRL are doing.

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the RFL did a half hearted job in trying to get 9's going over here, and clubs didn't buy into it, but always thought it would be a great event if done properly.. like the NRL are doing.

If someone was putting that sort of prize money on offer, I think the UK clubs might suddenly show interest...

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well hopefully the NRL9s will be a massive success....and the RFL will replace magic with a big 9's tournament....

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It should be a strategic objective of the International RL Board to get 9s in both the Olympics and the Commonwealth games.  It would provide an excellent way of growing the game internationally.

 

Can't envisage that we are a global enough sport for inclusion in the Olympics, and also considering that Union is taking part in the 2016 games in Brazil, people just would not differentiate between the sports, for a matter of fact there are a lot of people born, bred and live on the M62 corridor that can't differentiate between the two sports. 

 

But my question is, and I hope that someone can advise, are RL players to be considered for selection for their National Olympic Teams? If not, why not, or is it a closed shop Rugby (Union) competition?.

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But my question is, and I hope that someone can advise, are RL players to be considered for selection for their National Olympic Teams? If not, why not, or is it a closed shop Rugby (Union) competition?.

No country will be obliged to include RL players - the sport included in the Olympics is Rugby Union Sevens.

 

They may invite RL players in some cases, but what with the RU Sevens being so established now, many countries have dedicated Sevens squads, especially the countries where RL is also played.

 

Now, with an Olympic medal* on the line, does a country stick with an established squad who know each others game and are used to playing as a team? Or do they take a punt on introducing a player from a different code, however talented he may be?

 

*and, in Rio, the glory of being the first Olympic champions at Sevens ever - an extra-special bit of posterity.

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Can't envisage that we are a global enough sport for inclusion in the Olympics, and also considering that Union is taking part in the 2016 games in Brazil, people just would not differentiate between the sports, for a matter of fact there are a lot of people born, bred and live on the M62 corridor that can't differentiate between the two sports. 

 

But my question is, and I hope that someone can advise, are RL players to be considered for selection for their National Olympic Teams? If not, why not, or is it a closed shop Rugby (Union) competition?.

If they can have the same event in rowing with different numbers in the crews, I don't see why there can't be two (different) rugby events with different numbers. Granted the rugby comps would take a bit longer than the rowing. First things first though, lets see RL in some shape or form in the Commonwealth Games. That's how union proved it out I think. I did sit/suffer through one of the days when it was held at the Manchester Commonwealth Games. I've never seen 9s, hopefully it is a bit more exciting than 7s.

 

As for it being a closed shop. I guess it is and it isn't. You wouldn't expect to get in any other sport because you play something similar. Tennis - Badminton, Judo - Taekwondo.

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the RFL did a half hearted job in trying to get 9's going over here, and clubs didn't buy into it, but always thought it would be a great event if done properly.. like the NRL are doing.

If you read the interview with NRL chief executive Dave Smith in this week's League Express, he makes the following comment: "Anything the NRL is involved with will be top drawer as an event. Anything we do internationally will be done properly. We can create exciting events as well as anybody."

 

It's great to hear, and he seems to be putting that statement into practice with the NRL Nines.

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If you read the interview with NRL chief executive Dave Smith in this week's League Express, he makes the following comment: "Anything the NRL is involved with will be top drawer as an event. Anything we do internationally will be done properly. We can create exciting events as well as anybody."

 

It's great to hear, and he seems to be putting that statement into practice with the NRL Nines.

I can imagine the internet derision that would greet exactly the same sentiments from the RFL.

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earlier this year the RLEF did a Q&A on facebook and i asked whether the RLEF thought a european 9's comp/series would be a good way to showcase RL in europe and potentially lead to a (re)introduction of the world 9's...

 

the short answer i got was....NO

 

its exactly the opposite stance the IRB have to 7's....they are using it to spread the sport around the world and a catalyst to bringing more nations into the 15man game...

I can see the reasons for having reservations.  The cost of sending a 9's team over is significant the potential revenue return is very limited.  If that sounds short-termist, bear in my that having cash or at least being profitable allows one to plan for the long term, until then you have to make sure that you do not go under.

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It should be a strategic objective of the International RL Board to get 9s in both the Olympics and the Commonwealth games.  It would provide an excellent way of growing the game internationally.

 

In order to be eligible for the Olympics a sport need to be played by men in 75 countries and Women in 40 countries, 

 

The RLIF rankings have 33 teams and i imagine the women's game has less so lots of work needed before it's even an option

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No country will be obliged to include RL players - the sport included in the Olympics is Rugby Union Sevens.

 

They may invite RL players in some cases, but what with the RU Sevens being so established now, many countries have dedicated Sevens squads, especially the countries where RL is also played.

 

Now, with an Olympic medal* on the line, does a country stick with an established squad who know each others game and are used to playing as a team? Or do they take a punt on introducing a player from a different code, however talented he may be?

 

*and, in Rio, the glory of being the first Olympic champions at Sevens ever - an extra-special bit of posterity.

 

Thanks for that, understand your reasoning.

 

Thought I would just "Google" Olympic Rugby, it was actually played at the 1924 games in Paris, there were only three teams competing, they were such luminaries as Romania, USA and France, with USA getting the gold followed by France silver and Romania bronze.

 

Apparently there are a number of qualifying rounds taking place around the globe in 2014/15 with 12 places available at the tournament proper in both the mens and womens competitions.

 

Interesting to also read that in effect players from Mainland Britain can still have the opportunity to play even if their national team does not qualify i.e.

 

"To solve the problem of Great Britain competing as one union in the Olympics and as several in International Rugby (England, Wales, Scotland) should one team qualify (England, Wales or Scotland) than Great Britain will be awarded a spot in the Olympic Games. The three unions will then decide the composition of the Great Britain team. Please note that Northern Ireland is part of the Irish Rugby Football Union. Qualification for the Women's tournament has yet to be decided."

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Thought I would just "Google" Olympic Rugby, it was actually played at the 1924 games in Paris, there were only three teams competing, they were such luminaries as Romania, USA and France, with USA getting the gold followed by France silver and Romania bronze.

Yes, Rugby Union was once in the Olympics before, but I think that was the full 15-man version, which is probably why there were only 3 teams in the actual games and qualifying rounds held earlier.

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earlier this year the RLEF did a Q&A on facebook and i asked whether the RLEF thought a european 9's comp/series would be a good way to showcase RL in europe and potentially lead to a (re)introduction of the world 9's...

 

the short answer i got was....NO

 

Short sightedness as always from our game; it would be a good vehicle to introduce some of the smaller European nations to play against the bigger nations/clubs.

 

the RFL did a half hearted job in trying to get 9's going over here, and clubs didn't buy into it, but always thought it would be a great event if done properly.. like the NRL are doing.

 

Most of the clubs are only interested in the maximising their own bank accounts and not about developing the game...

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League 9's in the Olympics is a complete non-runner, someone correct me if I'm wrong but a sport can only be included in the Olympics if the governing body of no other sport objects. I'm afraid the union lot beat us to it

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