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Interesting reading especially for the NCL clubs

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Not sure this is a good idea, I doubt it will get voted in but we will see

Who said there would be a vote?

Who said the clubs will be in a position to vote on wether or not this policy will or will not be brought in?

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Read 5.4.19

http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Policy%20Review%20-%20September%202013.pdf

5.4.19

Dual registration will be operational for clubs to enter into partnerships across the professional and Community Game. A total of three players per week will be able to be dual registered. Revisions will be made to the existing regulations to ensure competition integrity is maintained.

You might want to read this one as well.............

5.4.33

A dual registration system between Tiers 2 and 3 (Championships) with Tiers 4 and 5 will need to be adopted, which acknowledges the sensitivities between these sections but also enables the free flow of players within them

So I think you can say.........It will happen with or without a vote from the NCL clubs.

Note the terminology "will be" and "will need to be".

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Already been approved at CB , live with it .

I had heard the same but had not seen the official correspondence from the Community Board to confirm it 100%.

Ah well.......such is life!

As they say at the RFL........."it's good to talk"

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Like the NCL clubs had a vote on the Operational rules, management will decide

I noted the new Yorkshire Juniors constitution it already has included the operational rules, there was no vote they have been implemented again by management, no democracy there then

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The NCL Clubs will decide if we accept Dual Registration, so there will be a vote.

 

FWIW I think the NCL clubs are going to be bitten by the reality of the Operational Rules very soon.

 

Dual registration will be the first part of the process towards understanding they have little or no input when it comes to democratically shaping their own destiny.

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Like the NCL clubs had a vote on the Operational rules, management will decide

I noted the new Yorkshire Juniors constitution it already has included the operational rules, there was no vote they have been implemented again by management, no democracy there then

The NCL Clubs were given the OR to study and asked to suggest any alterations if they had concerns. Only two clubs came back with any alterations and these were discussed at the Management meeting and adjusted accordingly. Clubs were obviously satisfied for them to go through after the NCL Management had requested the alterations they wanted.

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The NCL Clubs were given the OR to study and asked to suggest any alterations if they had concerns. Only two clubs came back with any alterations and these were discussed at the Management meeting and adjusted accordingly. Clubs were obviously satisfied for them to go through after the NCL Management had requested the alterations they wanted.

What you have posted has no relevance to what implications the operational rules hold in relation to dual registrations within the NCL at OA level.

When the proposed initiatives regarding dual registration that are outlined in the policy review are officially actioned/implemented then the RFL, via the governance bestowed upon them through the OR's, have the NCL and their member clubs by the short and curlies!

There will be no debate, vote or anything else that will change that!

What does make you wonder though is this, it's the Community Board that WILL/HAVE sanctioned Dual Registration and who do we know that sits on that little committee?

Enough said ;)

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Rooster please let us know which proposals were changed as other changes were agreed by DG and DR (in principle) but nothing has been changed

Please see extracts from community minutes

"Mr Hunt asked whether the maximum of three dual registered players per community club was inclusive of Under 18s players. It was agreed that the allowance was for three players in total.

Mr Moran asked whether this would form part of competition rules. Mr Hicks clarified that this ruling would be reflected in the professional game’s Operational Rules; therefore leagues would be asked to include this within their competition rules.

The Board agreed unanimously that the recommendation on an upper limit of 3 players be taken forward for further discussion with clubs, with a view to implementing this for the 2014 season"

The rules were implemented despite opposition, to me an even split only RFL leagues voted yes

"Hull Open Age, Pennine League, Yorkshire Combination League Cumbria, NWC Youth 8-12, Hull Youth, had indicated that they would not sign the rules. BARLA had also voted against the rules at their General Meeting.

There were concerns that some members may wish to publicly challenge the Operational Rules, despite their acceptance by the vast majority of the rest of the Community Game.

The Board acknowledged the risks involved but felt it must demonstrate strong leadership on behalf of the majority of Community Game and recommend to the RFL Board that the draft Operational Rules be adopted. There was unanimous support for this proposal"

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The NCL Clubs will decide if we accept Dual Registration, so there will be a vote.

Could be wrong but I think the OR have been accepted en bloc and you cant pick and choose the bits you like .

MIND you superleague can do what they want so why not the NCL ?

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Could be wrong but I think the OR have been accepted en bloc and you cant pick and choose the bits you like .

Checkmate!

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As we keep saying below from the CB October minutes does this include the 2 mentioned by Rooster

But we will show strength and pass them anyway in the current format

OPERATIONAL RULES

The Board was asked to agree and approve one set of Operational Rules to cover all leagues and competitions operating at tiers 4 to 6 of the RFL competition structure.

Further to the meeting of the Board in April 2013, extensive consultation had now taken place with all RFL member and affiliated Leagues to establish any further changes required to the Rules. 12 formal submissions had been made to the RFL and 22 amendments had been listed within the paper circulated to the Board, together with the final version of the Operational Rules.

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But the majority and I think the RFL leagues are backing everything as it is not players

Please look at the 2013 websites

All leagues seemed to play for about 3 months (RU off season?)

Midlands RL

1 league of 10 played 12 games

Merit league 6 teams played an average of 4 games each

U16 league with 4 teams only one completed 6 fixtures

LondonRL

Premier 6 teams played 10 games

SE League 6 teams played 10 games

Junior RL 6 teams played 10 games

Merit League 15 teams played an average of less than 3 games

South West RL

WEP 6 teams played 10 games

SWP 6 teams played 10 games

Scottish RL

Possible mistake only 3 teams listed but fixtures for 4 did one drop out?

But the Champs Aberdeen are in the Challenge cup

So all the men's leagues including Merit less than 60 teams

RFL votes 4

Pennine League 100 teams

No vote

So we have a part time sport playing about 30% of the year in these areas giving the RFL the votes to do what they want, we have been trying in London for 30 years, a lot of the schools play but this does not seem to reflect in participation, are we now a national sport?

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As we keep saying below from the CB October minutes does this include the 2 mentioned by Rooster

The stuff in RED is deleted, the stuff in black, the amendment...    Enjoy  :ph34r:

 

OLD    A4        RIGHTS, BROADCASTING & SPONSORSHIP

A4:1     The Clubs agree that the RFL shall have the right and power to enter into all forms of sponsorship, advertising, broadcasting and other commercial contracts relating directly to any Relevant Competition. The Clubs agree to grant the RFL and its partners reasonable access to their facilities in order to exercise such rights

NEW A4        RIGHTS, BROADCASTING & SPONSORSHIP

A4.1     The Clubs and Management Groups shall have the right and power to enter into all forms of sponsorship, advertising, broadcasting and other commercial contracts that relate to Matches in a relevant Competition, provided that before entering into any arrangement with a third party the Management Group first notify the RFL of the terms of the agreement.

A4.2     The Clubs and Management Group will not be entitled to sell any rights relating to the RFL including but not limited to logos, designations, tickets and rights to central matches or rights relating to the whole of the community game.

A4.3     The Clubs and Management Group agree to grant to the RFL such inventory at Matches at a relevant Competition as is required from time to time as agreed by the Community Board.

A4.4     The Clubs and Management Group agree to grant to the RFL and its partners reasonable access to their facilities in order to exercise any rights.

 

B1:2     START AND END OF SEASON

B1:2:1   The RFL will determine the date of commencement of the Season and the date on which it shall cease. Any application to play outside of these dates must be approved by the respective Management Group. 

NEW     B1:2     START AND END OF SEASON

B1:2:1   The RFL will, with each Management Group, agree the commencement of their season and the date on which it shall cease to best serve the needs of the Management Group as well as the best interests of all the other leagues and competitions. Any application to play outside of the agreed dates must be approved by the RFL. 

 

End of Primary / secondary registration in the NCL or elsewhere.

All the below deleted

C1:5:7  An open age player upon registering for a club may state that they wish to play for this club at all times when they are available.  This will be known as the player’s primary club.

C1:5:8 That player may sign for another club in a non-conflicting competition, at the same time, and can play for this club whenever their primary club do not require them.

C1:5:9   Whenever there is a conflict of fixture then the player must play for their primary club. Unless their primary club agrees differently. 

 

The Rule below deleted in full

C4          RELEVANT COMPETITION MANAGEMENT GROUP    

C4:1     The RFL shall appoint each Management Group to run the relevant Competition in accordance with the Memorandum of Understanding. 

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So all the fuss why has this not gone out, it would have saved a lot of issues if parts have been changed, we have been going on since the October minutes were published are BARLA and the other leagues who did not sign aware

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None of the above as been forwarded to our association and I have attended several meetings with the RFL since October nothing mentioned and no communication from any of our community board reps .

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I assume this is a wind up?

Are you suggesting that some clubs are knowingly/purposefully operating with coaches at OA level that are not level 2 qualified?

Or that they do not have appropriately qualified medical personell available on match days?

First post and you make rather provocative statements inferring what you have, hmmm.

What I am saying is what I wrote , your interpretation is your choice !         By the way , could you tell me what the appropriate medical qualification for match day personnel is ?

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