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Can Salford be a force next year. could they win GF year aftet?

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With another high-tailing it out of DW Dodge, next year's Wigan squad is looking decidely threadbare on the star quality front.

 

If they make the top 6 Shaun Wane should be given a knighthood for services to Rugby League coaching.

 

 

I recall reading similar nonsense before the start of last season.

"You'll win nothing wi' kids" © A.Hansen, 1995

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With another high-tailing it out of DW Dodge, next year's Wigan squad is looking decidely threadbare on the star quality front.

If they make the top 6 Shaun Wane should be given a knighthood for services to Rugby League coaching.

Write off Wigan at your peril.

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Off topic, and total pedantry, but Bradford last appeared in (and won) the Cup Final in 2003. Thought I'd point it out as it might be a while before the next one!

I beg your, and all Bradford fans, pardon. I did ask for any corrections, thanks AA

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Fourteen (so far!). With £1.25 million of cap slack available, that works out at roughly £90,000 per player. I think that's higher than the average salary in Super League (I may well be wrong here, but isn't it around £75,000?). Clearly, some players will be on more than that (Chase and Hansen for sure, possibly Smith and Hock) but I'd guess the majority of the newbies will be below that.

Well Meli has let it be known he was offered £140K to go to salford and Puletua must have been offered a big incetive to stay given that he'd already announced he was retiring and going home to NZ. I doubt he would have a change of heart like this for a 'below average' offer.

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Judging the Doc by the contracts given to Foran and Mauro las t season I would be surprised if any of the players are on a straight sum for the season. I would imagine they are all on bonus related contracts adn dependant on maintaining levels of fitness and playing in  a certain number of games.

 

According to many on here that will save Salford a fortune as they are either crocks or "mavericks" :sclerosis:

 

Hansen is an improvement on last season, he will play for a few seasons as he is only about 28ish.

 

 

This is about gradual building and development, I'm not yet convinced that Noble is the man for the future but maybe his backroom staff will be.

 

 

The doctor has rebuilt (or constructed) the whole club from the ground up, and he isn't done yet.

 

 

Being a Salford fan is always "interesting" and I hope next year will have more excitment and ups than the previous downs.

 

Lets face it, a year almost to the day Salford looked finished, now there is a thread arguing about how high we will finish

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Do players still get a percentage of transfer fee's?.. or sign on fee's?.. Would such payments come under the salary cap?

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Do players still get a percentage of transfer fee's?.. or sign on fee's?.. Would such payments come under the salary cap?

 

It is my understanding that any payment, regardless of type, is counted on the cap. 

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Must admit, I didn't think Wigan would win anything last season and thus take my hat off to Shaun Wane. I mean, both Leeds and Warrington had better teams on paper (and they are both well coached, too).

 

But with Tomkins, Hansen and (most importantly) Richards gone, they are going to struggle to get into the top 4. And with the notable exception of Ben Flower, that pack is going to have its work cut out to survive against some of the other sides. No offence to Wigan fans intended.

 

What are the odds on Salford finishing higher than Wigan, anyway? Might have a flutter.

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Must admit, I didn't think Wigan would win anything last season and thus take my hat off to Shaun Wane. I mean, both Leeds and Warrington had better teams on paper (and they are both well coached, too).

 

But with Tomkins, Hansen and (most importantly) Richards gone, they are going to struggle to get into the top 4. And with the notable exception of Ben Flower, that pack is going to have its work cut out to survive against some of the other sides. No offence to Wigan fans intended.

 

What are the odds on Salford finishing higher than Wigan, anyway? Might have a flutter.

Wigan's losses the year before were potentially much more damaging than those 3, and yet they still managed to win the double. I fully expect them to be up there this year as well.

 

Unless, of course, this years competition is to be played on paper rather than grass, wherein Leeds and Wire will probably walk it.

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Must admit, I didn't think Wigan would win anything last season and thus take my hat off to Shaun Wane. I mean, both Leeds and Warrington had better teams on paper (and they are both well coached, too).

But with Tomkins, Hansen and (most importantly) Richards gone, they are going to struggle to get into the top 4. And with the notable exception of Ben Flower, that pack is going to have its work cut out to survive against some of the other sides. No offence to Wigan fans intended.

What are the odds on Salford finishing higher than Wigan, anyway? Might have a flutter.

As good a player as Hansen is, I don't think his loss alone weakens the pack to an extent that it can't compete. Otherwise its the same pack as that which won the GF and Challenge Cup, not counting the additional experience of the young lads and whatever Bateman and Clubb may offer.

Tomkins is clearly the biggest loss, but I have hopes that Bowen and / or Hampshire can provide some value in that role. Richards is a loss for his goal kicking, but less so in other areas as he never got his pace back after the Achilles injury in 2010.

Overall I think Wigan will be fine. Difficult to repeat the heights of a double winning season, but likely to be there or thereabouts when the trophies are given out. Can't rule out Salford finishing higher, but will take a very big effort and reaching their full potential.

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Could the offer really be that good though?

 

I am presuming the owner hasn't just decided to set his own salary cap, so how on Earth do they have loads of money left under the cap limit after signing all those players?

 

well i know 100% that (edited by CKN:  the rest of this has been deleted)

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well i know 100% that (edited by CKN:  the rest of this has been deleted)

Do you?  Really?  If so, please provide evidence to John Drake via the PM system of this board as LE would be delighted to have such concrete evidence for the next issue.  Until then, please don't post such potentially libellous things on this forum without providing hard and undisputable evidence.

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Do you?  Really?  If so, please provide evidence to John Drake via the PM system of this board as LE would be delighted to have such concrete evidence for the next issue.  Until then, please don't post such potentially libellous things on this forum without providing hard and undisputable evidence.

 

haha joke this i should be able to say what i want and what has come straight from the horses mouth.... all i did was tell people how all theese big names have gone to salford and how they have got around the salary cap but if people dont want to know fine.

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haha joke this i should be able to say what i want and what has come straight from the horses mouth.... all i did was tell people how all theese big names have gone to salford and how they have got around the salary cap but if people dont want to know fine.

Erm... no.  There are these things called libel laws that mean that TRL acts as publisher for your stuff if we see it and do nothing about it.  If there's something that either the adminstrators or moderators see that is potentially libellous and you have given no evidence other than "because I say so" then it'll get deleted.  You might be not worried about a libel suit but a big libel court case could easily severely damage a publishing company such as TRL, we will not let you post potentially libellous stuff and put those jobs at risk.

 

As mentioned, if you have evidence of such acts then please clear it in advance with John Drake before posting.

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As good a player as Hansen is, I don't think his loss alone weakens the pack to an extent that it can't compete. Otherwise its the same pack as that which won the GF and Challenge Cup, not counting the additional experience of the young lads and whatever Bateman and Clubb may offer.

Tomkins is clearly the biggest loss, but I have hopes that Bowen and / or Hampshire can provide some value in that role. Richards is a loss for his goal kicking, but less so in other areas as he never got his pace back after the Achilles injury in 2010.

Overall I think Wigan will be fine. Difficult to repeat the heights of a double winning season, but likely to be there or thereabouts when the trophies are given out. Can't rule out Salford finishing higher, but will take a very big effort and reaching their full potential.

 

I would argue that Wigans biggest loss ( squad-wise ) from last season is Pat Richards.

Guaranteed kicker . try scorer & Metre Gainer , alot of pressure now heaped on Charnley . Having Richards in/out of  Wigans side had more influence on whether they won or lost than Tomkins . 

Tomkins looked impressive running rings 'round ' lesser teams , but in closer games ?

As regards the Pack , Wigan looks well provided with back -up 2nd rowers from their own Academy & welsh connection , + the signings or Bateman & Clubb .

They won't miss Hansen. I have to go back to Barry MacDermott as the last Forward they let go that bit them .  

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Could the offer really be that good though?

 

I am presuming the owner hasn't just decided to set his own salary cap, so how on Earth do they have loads of money left under the cap limit after signing all those players?

 

 

well i know 100% that (edited by CKN:  the rest of this has been deleted)

 

 

Two responses :-

  A year ago Salford were dead & buried , the response from most other SL clubs was to get shopping - Wigan had already took Matty Smith , Hull & Leeds & Bradford swiftly following, relieving us of our key players.

On a fans level Salfords impending demise wasn't met with the same outcry & rallying that Bradfords trials initiated . we were pretty much staring down the barrel of a gun. We knew where we stood in the SL pecking order > Crusaders < Wakefield .

Then from leftfield  in walks Marwan, a more bizzare saviour we couldn't  imagine.  not a subtle character , but in 11 months has effected more change in the club than my memory of supporting the club for decades. not just Playing staff but at management & Backroom level. From a press perspective he has raised the profile of the club -single handed in Both UK & AUS. the signings aren't exactly Grand Final worrying material but capable of at least giving most teams a run for their money .

You'd expect this back-from the grave story to have illicited a more positive response , but we seem to have attracted more than our fair share of flak , why  ? beacuse we've signed some players & our owner is ' foreign ' and brash ??   I'm not sure if the reaction is actually not 'how did you' ( under the salary ) , but more of ' How Dare you ' . Honestly we're not ' cocky ' we're just relieved & hopeful , after decades of mediocraty at least allow us a season or two before the knives are sharpened ..

 

ie - cut us a bit of slack will you ..

 

 

 

 

"The Rugby League world is closely scrutinising everything that Marwan Koukash is doing here, it is exciting times and we are determined to be in the best possible shape for the kick off.”

Quote from New CEO Martin Vickers ,

Salford have already been hit with an unprecedented fine & points deduction for on field matters .

The RFL co-opted Niel Wood into the club to monitor day to day stuff.

because of Marwan's vocal opposition of the current salary cap arrangement & proposal of a marquee player rule . we will have to be more ' above board ' any most other clubs .

the  early ' ill judged ' Press from Marwan about the cap back in March April has backfired, he has since gone on record in subsequent months to state we  are abiding to the cap .

We only have a squad of 30 & if we were riding roughshod over the salary cap we wouldn't have loaded our team with ' experience ' & fringe NRL players ,

I suspect Hock - Chase -Smith & Hansen will be higher earners , the others will  be out to prove themselves or have been drawn in by the chance of one last hurrah .. all this megabucks ' I have on good authority ' stuff I take with a pinch of salt

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