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SPOTY 2013 - Will RL get more than the 45 seconds it got last year?

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Wiggins did his best for wigan, and to be fair Tomkins and co got more than the soccer outfit.

 

Also, the RLWC got a nice montage.  We were well ahead of most other sports in terms of coverage.  Club rah rah and county cricket hardly got a mention at all for example.

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Did any sinister voting patterns emerge from last nights programe?

If you consider the ommission of Shawn Wayne from the coach of the year vote then yes there was. Needless to say the Beeb's favourite sport couldn't be left without an award or two.

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If you consider the ommission of Shawn Wayne from the coach of the year vote then yes there was. Needless to say the Beeb's favourite sport couldn't be left without an award or two.

 

Don't think this is very fair to be honest, and proves the short shortsightedness of many people on here.  Just checked the recipients of coach of the year award, and before Gatland, only Clive Woodward from Rugby Union has won this award.  Daniel Anderson won the award in 2006 for St Helen's achievements that year.

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 Needless to say the Beeb's favourite sport couldn't be left without an award or two.

 

Nothing else can explain Vettel winning on a unanimous vote.

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Don't think this is very fair to be honest, and proves the short shortsightedness of many people on here.  Just checked the recipients of coach of the year award, and before Gatland, only Clive Woodward from Rugby Union has won this award.  Daniel Anderson won the award in 2006 for St Helen's achievements that year.

 

St Helens won team of the year in 2006 too. Wigan won the same award back in 1994 too. 

 

Beat the Australians in a series or win the World Cup and the BBC would be all over Rugby League. 

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St Helens won team of the year in 2006 too. Wigan won the same award back in 1994 too. 

After St Helens won the Team of the Year, the BBC changed it from a public vote to a privately-agreed award.

 

This followed some very amusing and childish tantrums thrown by members of the Ryder Cup team, who assumed it was theirs by divine right, but didn't even place in the top three for 2006. :D 

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After St Helens won the Team of the Year, the BBC changed it from a public vote to a privately-agreed award.

 

This followed some very amusing and childish tantrums thrown by members of the Ryder Cup team, who assumed it was theirs by divine right, but didn't even place in the top three for 2006. :D

 

Perhaps the BBC should run the game. Goal post moving skills are a prime requisite for RFL management :D

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After St Helens won the Team of the Year, the BBC changed it from a public vote to a privately-agreed award.

 

This followed some very amusing and childish tantrums thrown by members of the Ryder Cup team, who assumed it was theirs by divine right, but didn't even place in the top three for 2006. :D

 

They finished third because there were three nominations.  St Helens and Sussex CCC beat them.

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After St Helens won the Team of the Year, the BBC changed it from a public vote to a privately-agreed award.

 

This followed some very amusing and childish tantrums thrown by members of the Ryder Cup team, who assumed it was theirs by divine right, but didn't even place in the top three for 2006. :D

 

Well I remember at the time lots of people liked St Helens winning. I even remember Matt Dawson vocally supporting their cause on the radio show previewing the programme. They deserved it. 

 

The Ryder Cup team get team of the year virtually every time they win and at that stage the US Ryder team had turned into a bit of a joke. No sympathy with that lot at all. 

 

If you look through the winners of all the awards the majority of them are given for international sporting achievements. As always if Rugby League wants a higher media profile it needs to develop a credible annual international programme. Regular 3 match series against Australia and New Zealand would be a start.  

 

Of course the real clanger that the awards have thrown up was Ryan Giggs winning the main award in 2009. The BBC won't put random footballers on the list for the public vote again any time soon. 

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Of course the real clanger that the awards have thrown up was Ryan Giggs winning the main award in 2009. The BBC won't put random footballers on the list for the public vote again any time soon. 

 

I see Greg Rusedski and Zara Philips also appear to have won.  Giggs is a more deserving winner in pretty much any year than either of them.

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I see Greg Rusedski and Zara Philips also appear to have won. Giggs is a more deserving winner in pretty much any year than either of them.

You can add princess Anne to that list as well.

And to Made in Wales, we all know the Wallabies are not a great team at any time, with union being only a minor sport over there. If they had won a three match series against someone good, like the all blacks, then I would have supported it 100%

My beef was they won TWO awards which when they are like hens teeth means at least one cause, more deserving, missed out.

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I see Greg Rusedski and Zara Philips also appear to have won.  Giggs is a more deserving winner in pretty much any year than either of them.

 

Rusedski was a dodgy winner but Phillips was the World and European eventing champion in a sport that not infrequently cripples  or kills its participants. Not bad winner for an otherwise quiet year. The grannies would have fallen for the royal angle too. 

 

Giggs on the other hand beat the Formula 1 World Champion. The BBC won't put a footballer on the list again until they achieve some personally outstanding. The motivated block vote is too strong otherwise. Put someone like Steven Gerrard on the list and he would probably win the public vote too.  British club and international footballers just aren't in the same class as recent winners or many of the others on the recent shortlists. 

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Rusedski was a dodgy winner but Phillips was the World and European eventing champion in a sport that not infrequently cripples  or kills its participants. 

 

I didn't realise potential death was a reason we should consider a sport worthy of note.

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I didn't realise potential death was a reason we should consider a sport worthy of note.

 

 

Well isn't just a bunch of toffs mucking around on horses. It is very dangerous. Statistically probably the most dangerous international sport you can take part in. More dangerous that motor racing and much, much more dangerous that any full contact or combat sport. If the number of people who died eventing died whilst boxing then boxing would be banned. As would either code of Rugby for that matter. 

 

Being the European and World champion in any internationally competitive sport is worthy of note. 

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You can add princess Anne to that list as well.

And to Made in Wales, we all know the Wallabies are not a great team at any time, with union being only a minor sport over there. If they had won a three match series against someone good, like the all blacks, then I would have supported it 100%

My beef was they won TWO awards which when they are like hens teeth means at least one cause, more deserving, missed out.

 

I can see what you mean here, it seems that a significant sporting achievement normally equates to multiple nominations across the board.  It's the way the cookie crumbles.  It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if England would have won the world cup.  Would they have won team of the year ahead of the Lions, and likewise, would McNamara have won coach of the year?  All ifs now though!!

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Well isn't just a bunch of toffs mucking around on horses. It is very dangerous. 

 

It can be both, of course.

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It can be both, of course.

 

Like motor racing it eventing isn't just the bastion of the privileged. It takes money but if you are talented you can use other people's money. The British girl that won the dressage gold at the last Olympics was a former stable girl you had to shovel horse manure for a living before he got her break into the sport. 

 

Anyway cross country equestrianism is borderline lunacy. 

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After the debacle of no women on the shortlist in 2011, and the discovery that Nuts and Zoo editors were involved in drawing up the shortlist, the BBC changed the rules for how the candidates are selected. 

 

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/24145324

 

An expert panel decide the shortlist for the Sports Personality of the Year award. The Sports Personality of the Year production team will provide the Panel with a list of the top 50 or more sportspeople from 2013, including information on their achievements. The Panel will be free to consider other potential candidates.

The Panel will comprise 12 members this year:

• Four representatives of the BBC: Barbara Slater (director of BBC Sport); Philip Bernie (head of TV sport); Carl Doran (executive editor of Sports Personality of the Year); Mark Pougatch (representing BBC Radio 5 live).

• Three representatives of the UK written press: sports editors from The Mail on Sunday, The Mirror and The Telegraph.

• Three former nominees: Baroness Tanni-Grey Thompson; Dame Kelly Holmes; Marcus Trescothick.

• Liz Nicholl OBE, chief executive of UK Sport.

• One individual, multi-sport, broadcaster/former Spoty presenter: Sue Barker MBE.

The Panel will select a short list of 10 sportspeople on the basis of the following criteria:

• Reflects UK sporting achievements on the national and/or international stage;

• Represents the breadth and depth of UK sports, and;

• Takes into account 'impact' over and beyond the sport or sporting achievement in question.

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For about 10 seconds, I really thought that Wigan were going to win the team of the year.  As the award was given straight after the Wigan item, and was to be presented by League fan Mark Webber and Marian Bartoli, I imagined Inverdale (a welcome absence from the proceedings) cursing and wailing.  Then the Lions won...

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For about 10 seconds, I really thought that Wigan were going to win the team of the year.  As the award was given straight after the Wigan item, and was to be presented by League fan Mark Webber and Marian Bartoli, I imagined Inverdale (a welcome absence from the proceedings) cursing and wailing.  Then the Lions won...

No, Inverdale knew that the union lions would win because he had secretly destroyed all of the Wigan voting papers.

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I can see what you mean here, it seems that a significant sporting achievement normally equates to multiple nominations across the board.  It's the way the cookie crumbles.  It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if England would have won the world cup.  Would they have won team of the year ahead of the Lions, and likewise, would McNamara have won coach of the year?  All ifs now though!!

I think actually that England would have won team of the year had they won the world cup, partly because achievements in international sport pip those in domestic sport and partly because it has been 40 plus years since a British team managed to win a world cup in our sport.  Both those elements would have given us a very good chance of being voted team of the year.  Although I'm happy to acknowledge that the BBC still has its bias in favour of all establishment sports, I don't think even they (or their appointed voting panel) would be so bias as to ignore what would have been an incredible achievement. 

 

However, point is moot because we couldn't do it - again.

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Real opportunity missed - if only we'd beaten the kiwis....

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I think actually that England would have won team of the year had they won the world cup, partly because achievements in international sport pip those in domestic sport and partly because it has been 40 plus years since a British team managed to win a world cup in our sport.  Both those elements would have given us a very good chance of being voted team of the year.  Although I'm happy to acknowledge that the BBC still has its bias in favour of all establishment sports, I don't think even they (or their appointed voting panel) would be so bias as to ignore what would have been an incredible achievement. 

 

However, point is moot because we couldn't do it - again.

Would you say boxing is an establishment sport?

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Would you say boxing is an establishment sport?

Was the Marquis of Queensbury a pleb?

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Real opportunity missed - if only we'd beaten the kiwis....

...You'd have been embarrassed in the final?

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