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this is the best, clearest, most empathetic explanation of what it is like that I've ever come across

I know there are other members of 'the club' on here

 

for non members I hope it gives you some insight

chris

 

 

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I have a feeling it's been on here before (but I'm not sure). However, it is exceptionally good and well worth repeating. 

 

It is a very clever use of a simple way to convey a complex, and at times (for the sufferer), bewildering condition. Those responsible deserve praise and thanks for their work.

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Very good video Chris.

 

 

"The only real shame is missing out on life." - I really like that.

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All the sufferers I've spoken to since I saw it have given it a thumbs up.

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Posted · Hidden by ckn, December 17, 2013 - No reason given

oh yer, blame the dog, trouble is parents have been raising kids for the last 35 years to believe that everything is magical and wonderful, safe and sweet, then when adult reality becomes an issue the mind has been weakened by years of mental brainwash and people cant cope with it, that stupid cartoon is just more pandering to the same mentality that was most likely the cause in the 1st place, yes there are genuine cases of mental illness which are very sad and need treatment, but most "depressed" "stressed" people need to wake up and realise that lifes tough and mummy didn't tell you about it, so deal with it.

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Posted · Hidden by ckn, December 17, 2013 - No reason given

oh yer, blame the dog, trouble is parents have been raising kids for the last 35 years to believe that everything is magical and wonderful, safe and sweet, then when adult reality becomes an issue the mind has been weakened by years of mental brainwash and people cant cope with it, that stupid cartoon is just more pandering to the same mentality that was most likely the cause in the 1st place, yes there are genuine cases of mental illness which are very sad and need treatment, but most "depressed" "stressed" people need to wake up and realise that lifes tough and mummy didn't tell you about it, so deal with it.

Ignorance is bliss.

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Thanks for posting this Chris, it's a much larger problem than is realised as most do not admit to being troubled by the curse for fear of what others may

say or think about them as is highlighted by one poster already.

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Posted · Hidden by ckn, December 17, 2013 - No reason given

your obliged to pretend respect for people and institutions you find absurd, living attached in a cowardly fashion to moral and social conventions you despise, condemn and know lack all moral foundation, it is that permanent contradiction between your ideas and desires and all the dead formalities and vain pretences of civilization which makes you sad troubled and unbalanced, in that intolerable conflict  you lose all joy of life and all feeling of personality,... what a sink of madness is mans mind!

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Posted · Hidden by ckn, December 17, 2013 - No reason given

oh yer, blame the dog, trouble is parents have been raising kids for the last 35 years to believe that everything is magical and wonderful, safe and sweet, then when adult reality becomes an issue the mind has been weakened by years of mental brainwash and people cant cope with it, that stupid cartoon is just more pandering to the same mentality that was most likely the cause in the 1st place, yes there are genuine cases of mental illness which are very sad and need treatment, but most "depressed" "stressed" people need to wake up and realise that lifes tough and mummy didn't tell you about it, so deal with it.

Sorry but that's garbage. It's nothing to do with how your parents were with you (although that has other, separate issues) it's how your brain is predisposed to deal with life. You might as well tell it to stop raining than tell a depressed person to 'deal with it'. It doesn't work like that. The comparison you make is more akin to falling over and scraping your knee and someone saying 'come on just get on with it' than serious mental health issues. Just remember, there but for fortune go you and I.

 

If it was all about 'manning up' and 'dealing with it' we would still have people like Terry Newton with us wouldn't we.

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Posted · Hidden by ckn, December 17, 2013 - No reason given

terry newton was a genuine case of mental illness that sadly went un noticed and untreated, as I said in my post there are very genuine cases that deserve recognition and highlighting, but a vast number of "everyday depressed" are just as described in my 2nd post, being off work on full pay also seems to make the condition worse for some reason.

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Posted · Hidden by ckn, December 17, 2013 - No reason given

People faking illness is not the issue here though. Many people will ring in sick over Christmas soon claiming to have 'the flu'. They really mean either a hangover or a cold...but it doesn't mean influenza is not a killer disease.

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Quoted post deleted by CKN...

 

At the risk of upsetting the mods you are being an idiot.

 

My wife is a psychiatric nurse who deals with child and adolescence mental health as a specialist and teaches on the subject, don't ever be in the same room as her and express your pathetic views, she'll tear you to shreds on the subject. 

 

Thanks for sharing Chris, I don't know if Sharon is aware of that but I'll make sure she knows of it.

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At the risk of upsetting the mods you are being an idiot.

No, you're right... he is.  Utterly simplistic and moronic tripe from someone who is either trolling, badly, or really doesn't have a clue.  Probably Godfrey Bloom in disguse.

 

I'll have a think about what other action needs to be taken.

 

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Posted · Hidden by ckn, December 17, 2013 - No reason given

am not saying for one second there are not genuine cases of depression or good people who do a fantastic job in dealing with it, don't be ridiculous, but the whole world is mad, the whole human race is bonkers and the sooner we all come to terms with these 2 facts the more content we can be.

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A very descriptive video, but I never did get the 'black dog' thing. To me a black dog (or any colour of dog) represents interest, vitality, exercise, affection, fun, positivity - in fact everything I associate with good mental health.

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I take a very dim view of people ridiculing others for being depressed and telling them essentially to "snap out of it".  It's one of the most destructive things you can tell someone who is in genuine mental anguish and I've seen that alone be the last straw for someone in trouble as you're telling them that either they're faking it or they're so weak that they're useless.

 

Also, it's a point that some people don't get that mental health is covered by the same anti-discrimination laws as other disabilities.  For example, would you tell someone in a wheelchair to just snap out of it and get walking again?  What about someone with Parkinson's Disease, tell them to snap out of it and stop shaking so much?

 

I know someone who was the victim of pretty nasty childhood abuse and became seriously depressed to the point of hospitalisation, she was diagnosed with all sorts of illnesses and PTSD.  On release, she tried to go back to work part-time and her employers asked jokingly who they should call if they found her swinging from the lampshades.  She's not been back since and probably won't be fit for work again anytime soon, all because of an utterly idiotic and brain-dead manager who thought that her mental health problems were not really an illness.

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Ah! I was just going to read the deleted posts to see how utterly idiotic and moronic an individual can be.

 

Depression is not a modern illness, and neither is it restricted to people living in the 'pampered' west/modern society. To me, each episode was a process whereby each aspect of normal, everyday living was gradually shut down.

The bit in the video about exercise was illustrative: moderate exercise can be excellent for improving and maintaining mental health, and, in fact, one of the first signs of my deterioration would be the fact that somewhere along the line I had stopped regular exercise. Shortly after that realisation, I wouldn't be capable of motivating myself to do even the most moderate physical activity.

On a positive note, depression can be beaten. As someone who has probably suffered cyclical depression - the cycles being anything between 18 months and 2 and a half years - most of my life (probably going back to pre-school), I have suffered a bout since I was 46 (I'm now 54).

 

There is hope!

 

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Posted · Hidden by John Drake, December 17, 2013 - No reason given

? Not sure why my posts have been deleted?

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No, you're right... he is.  Utterly simplistic and moronic tripe from someone who is either trolling, badly, or really doesn't have a clue.  Probably Godfrey Bloom in disguse.

 

I'll have a think about what other action needs to be taken.

 

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I speak as someone who has had major issues with depression. My father's brother and mother's sister both ended up committing suicide.

 

I disagree with what BB said (I read it before it was deleted) but I'd rather that he was allowed to say it.

 

And I don't agree that he is a moron. He just doesn't know what he is talking about.

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There are a number of well developed theories of the underlying biochemical causes of depression. I think most of these are incomplete as the brain is such a complex mass of cells that we may never fully understand all of the interactions. I've previously worked in depression research and what we know hardly scratches the surface of what's going on.

 

Perhaps the biggest issue is that diagnosis of the illness is in itself challenging as the diagnosis of depression is too vague as there are many different causes and symptoms, and depression is more an overarching name for a group of illnesses. Add to this there is no simple diagnostic tool such a blood test or physical examination that can be used to diagnose depression, it is down to the experience of the physician and his/her ability to understand the patient.

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Posted · Hidden by John Drake, December 18, 2013 - No reason given

? Not sure why my posts have been deleted?

 

The NSA did that not Craig.

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No, you're right... he is.  Utterly simplistic and moronic tripe from someone who is either trolling, badly, or really doesn't have a clue.  Probably Godfrey Bloom in disguse.

 

I'll have a think about what other action needs to be taken.

 

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I respect your right to do that

You always behave responsibly and with understanding in your uninvited role

But I wish you hadn't deleted the posts

 

When I first read them I decided to reply to them at a convenient time

Not in anger, disappointment or frustration: I saw the comments ad an opportunity to explain

To explain from the perspective of a former charge nurse on an acute psychiatric ward

And from the point of view of a long time sufferer...to a career ending life threatening extent.

 

Bedlam breakout presented via his ignorance and boorishness a good opportunity to explain a few things

Cw

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I speak as someone who has had major issues with depression. My father's brother and mother's sister both ended up committing suicide.

 

I disagree with what BB said (I read it before it was deleted) but I'd rather that he was allowed to say it.

 

And I don't agree that he is a moron. He just doesn't know what he is talking about.

 

CKN didn't say he was a moron, he said he was being moronic, there is a difference.

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I speak as someone who has had major issues with depression. My father's brother and mother's sister both ended up committing suicide.

 

I disagree with what BB said (I read it before it was deleted) but I'd rather that he was allowed to say it.

 

And I don't agree that he is a moron. He just doesn't know what he is talking about.

The main reason is that I've never seen such a response from the forum before about a post.  One formal report, 8 PMs and someone even sending me a text on my mobile to ensure I saw the post, all within minutes of it being posted.  Back that with my instinctive reaction to it and I decided it was worth a strong response.  I decided to treat this the same way I would if someone were ignorant or uneducated about another disability and posted some insensitive stuff.

 

If people wish for me to put the posts back then I'll reconsider but all it would take is one person to say they should stay deleted and I won't change my mind.

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The main reason is that I've never seen such a response from the forum before about a post.  One formal report, 8 PMs and someone even sending me a text on my mobile to ensure I saw the post, all within minutes of it being posted.  Back that with my instinctive reaction to it and I decided it was worth a strong response.  I decided to treat this the same way I would if someone were ignorant or uneducated about another disability and posted some insensitive stuff.

 

If people wish for me to put the posts back then I'll reconsider but all it would take is one person to say they should stay deleted and I won't change my mind.

 

I think if you left the posts up Craig you would have to lock it within the hour.

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