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How many do you think went in through the open exit gate and paid cash to the steward?

 

 

None. Why do you ask - is this normal practice at Batley?

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That and we made more noise on the clapometer that I always carry with me (got it cheap from huey Green)

What is it they say about empty vessels piggy ?

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None. Why do you ask - is this normal practice at Batley?

i know of atleast 5 of my mates went through the exit gate and paid the steward

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I think where people are maybe getting confused about is that the area of the South Stand where the majority of the Batley fans were was fairly full - not crushed in as has happened before but good numbers.  However, looking at the video, it shows that the other end of the South Stand where the Rams fans usually stand was quite empty, presumably they having decided to stand behind the posts.  Therefore the numbers in the South Stand were undoubtedly far less than on previous occasions.

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None. Why do you ask - is this normal practice at Batley?

Wrong there my old bean. I saw plenty of people go through there. I know this as I was ushered through with the rest.

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Wrong there my old bean. I saw plenty of people go through there. I know this as I was ushered through with the rest.

 

 

Despite your protests no doubt?

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I must admit I saw it myself & I heard a steward say if you've got the right change you can come through here not happy,not saying anything untoward going on but I will be having a word with Mark Sawyer at next home game.

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I must admit I saw it myself & I heard a steward say if you've got the right change you can come through here not happy,not saying anything untoward going on but I will be having a word with Mark Sawyer at next home game.

If that was happening, I can't believe it was sanctioned by the club - I just can't see them risking prosecution by the inland revenue for what would be deemed tax evasion.

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Clubs can't afford these days with such scrutiny to be 'on the fiddle', there are too many checks and balances along with the chance of criminal convictions etc. I would have said the figure was fairly accurate, definitely not over the 3,000 as suggested in other posts. Both clubs work together for the good of the Heavy Woollen area and have a good relationship, so doubt very much if one would fleece the other. With regards to who had the biggest support on the day, from the actual team shirts on display it would certainly appear that Batley did have the upper hand, and certainly there was more noise from them, and yes I would agree with the comments from Rams fans that it's a shame they only turn out for the Christmas booze up game. However, look at it sensibly; let's assume the crowd was split 50/50, that's almost 1,200 each. How come then that average home crowds for both clubs (including any travelling fans) is around 750/850? That means that BOTH clubs are suffering week in week out from the Boxing day totals, so Rams fans who were a little derogatory about fickle Batley fans should also look at their own doorstep. As someone else (other than me) has said, 2 strong teams around here can only be good for the game.

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If that was happening, I can't believe it was sanctioned by the club - I just can't see them risking prosecution by the inland revenue for what would be deemed tax evasion.

 

Is it an offence to let people in through an exit gate ? 

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Is it an offence to let people in through an exit gate ? 

If it goes in a pot to evade the taxman, then it probably is, but who is bothered.

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Clubs can't afford these days with such scrutiny to be 'on the fiddle', there are too many checks and balances along with the chance of criminal convictions etc. I would have said the figure was fairly accurate, definitely not over the 3,000 as suggested in other posts. Both clubs work together for the good of the Heavy Woollen area and have a good relationship, so doubt very much if one would fleece the other. With regards to who had the biggest support on the day, from the actual team shirts on display it would certainly appear that Batley did have the upper hand, and certainly there was more noise from them, and yes I would agree with the comments from Rams fans that it's a shame they only turn out for the Christmas booze up game. However, look at it sensibly; let's assume the crowd was split 50/50, that's almost 1,200 each. How come then that average home crowds for both clubs (including any travelling fans) is around 750/850? That means that BOTH clubs are suffering week in week out from the Boxing day totals, so Rams fans who were a little derogatory about fickle Batley fans should also look at their own doorstep. As someone else (other than me) has said, 2 strong teams around here can only be good for the game.

 

 

I don't think it simply splits that way. In the absence of many other RL games I reckon there are a significant number of neutral supporters of other clubs (SL and other) who turn up for Boxing day games. Additionally look at the size of the gates for soccer games on Boxing Day - all notably higher than their general average: BD is a popular day for casual supporters to go and see a game without necessarily following one side or the other.

 

The obvious comparison is between this gate and that for the corresponding league fixture (1150 last season) and that really gives an indication of the levels of "loyal support" for both clubs. In other words neither of us can really crow about the volume of support that we command at present, I'm sad to say. If Batley prove me wrong by averaging 1500 this next season then I will gladly doff my cap in acknowledgement.

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If it goes in a pot to evade the taxman, then it probably is, but who is bothered.

 

 

And if it is handed to the regular gatemen it will be accounted for as normal. There were exceptional circumstances, causing the kick off to be delayed, which might explain why this happened in this case.

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To be fair, I saw people hand money to the "bouncer" on the gate and he handed it to the lass on the turnstile as I went through. However the turnstile wasn't operated so whether it was counted toward the crowd figure I cannot say.

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If forecasts are correct about 1000 went through the gates which is unfortunately not recorded on the gate.However remember the old saying, WHAT YOU NEVER HAD YOU NEVER MISS.LOL.

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More worrying than the individuals involved denying Batley their share of the money is the lack of action by Kirklees Council and the ground safety officer. Turnstiles or all ticket matches are a means of ensuring crowd levels do not exceed safety limits. Fortunately on this occasion no disaster occured, however the RFL should now order Dewsbury to only play their games as all ticket matches which will ensure the safety of the spectators and save Dewsbury opening the turnstiles. It would also be advantageous for Kirklees Council to supervise the clubs actions over the next few months.

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More worrying than the individuals involved denying Batley their share of the money is the lack of action by Kirklees Council and the ground safety officer. Turnstiles or all ticket matches are a means of ensuring crowd levels do not exceed safety limits. Fortunately on this occasion no disaster occured, however the RFL should now order Dewsbury to only play their games as all ticket matches which will ensure the safety of the spectators and save Dewsbury opening the turnstiles. It would also be advantageous for Kirklees Council to supervise the clubs actions over the next few months.

Best report it to the authorities then - you ought to use your connections to check that the Batley officials didn't receive their share of this dubiously obtained income first, because if they did they are complicit.

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By the way the 1000 was a joke lads.It was all declared and above board.A happy New Year to one and all.

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More worrying than the individuals involved denying Batley their share of the money is the lack of action by Kirklees Council and the ground safety officer. Turnstiles or all ticket matches are a means of ensuring crowd levels do not exceed safety limits. Fortunately on this occasion no disaster occured, however the RFL should now order Dewsbury to only play their games as all ticket matches which will ensure the safety of the spectators and save Dewsbury opening the turnstiles. It would also be advantageous for Kirklees Council to supervise the clubs actions over the next few months.

I can't tell if this is a serious post or not, but the actions on the gate could very likely end up investigated by local H&S authority if any complaints are made. Though it's not the same kind of crowds you see at football games, if a Hillsborough type disaster happened at the ground, the shizzle would hit the fizzle. And the post about checking whether Batley got their cut before anything was said, wouldn't matter to the Batley club a bit. It's about crowd safety rather than profit. It was Dewsburys ground. Not Batleys.

I'd personally hope nothing happens about it. Everything seemed to run safely (apart from Roger the Ram decking it pitch side). It would just lead to massive fines which any club could do without, bad press and further safety investigations.

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I can't tell if this is a serious post or not, but the actions on the gate could very likely end up investigated by local H&S authority if any complaints are made.

The post was very serious. The attitude of some of the posters makes it more so. The episode should not need reporting to the council, they should already be investigating why it was allowed to happen. Why the ground safety officer hasn't fallen on his sword shows his complete disregard for safety procedures. Just hope that the next time a more serious situation doesn't occur.

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Personally I wouldn't say that there were any crowd safety issues at the game, and having spoken to a Batley official, they appear quite satisfied that Dewsbury's figures were reasonably accurate, so there will be no argument there. My own guess at the crowd would have been in the 2,500 region, so I can't see any great discrepancy. Does anyone know a) Dewsbury's crowd limit and B)  was it the same, less or more for that particular game? There were plenty open spaces which suggests room for more, unless Kirklees had put a different limit on for that game. I think the matter should now rest, and just hope that next Boxing Day dewsbury's forum isn't full of their fans suggesting that we have diddled them eh?

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Personally I wouldn't say that there were any crowd safety issues at the game, and having spoken to a Batley official, they appear quite satisfied that Dewsbury's figures were reasonably accurate, so there will be no argument there. My own guess at the crowd would have been in the 2,500 region, so I can't see any great discrepancy. Does anyone know a) Dewsbury's crowd limit and B)  was it the same, less or more for that particular game? There were plenty open spaces which suggests room for more, unless Kirklees had put a different limit on for that game. I think the matter should now rest, and just hope that next Boxing Day dewsbury's forum isn't full of their fans suggesting that we have diddled them eh?

ZZ's post is, as we all know, basically just another of his monotonous axe grinding sessions. In this case however, he raises some valid points. I believe that the clubs have an excellent relationship, and I can't see either club risking losing that relationship for a pennorth o tar, but if stewards were asked to speed up the process of getting the fans in by acting as gatemen, then it makes the club look amateurish at best. As Barrow fans will testify, acting anything less than transparently when dealing with the running of the club's finances can have grave consequences. As for the health and safety issues raised by ZZ though , I doubt there would have been a problem. I have a feeling, however, that further delaying the kick off to accommodate those fans left outside, would definitely have invoked health and safety risks when it came to telling the wife she would have to delay the Boxing day dinner because the match was running late.

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Personally I wouldn't say that there were any crowd safety issues at the game, and having spoken to a Batley official, they appear quite satisfied that Dewsbury's figures were reasonably accurate, so there will be no argument there. My own guess at the crowd would have been in the 2,500 region, so I can't see any great discrepancy. Does anyone know a) Dewsbury's crowd limit and B)  was it the same, less or more for that particular game? There were plenty open spaces which suggests room for more, unless Kirklees had put a different limit on for that game. I think the matter should now rest, and just hope that next Boxing Day dewsbury's forum isn't full of their fans suggesting that we have diddled them eh?

The crowd figures should only concern the two clubs, HMRC, the police and the local council.

My concern was for a complete disregard of safety procedures which had potential for life threatening injuries.

Only recently the Hillsborough tragedy has been in the news and evidence of a cover up of all the details which pointed to mismanagement and lack of a duty of care.

Personally I would like a full investigation into the events which occured on Boxing Day and any mismanagement punished accordingly. Obviously the majority of posters share differing views to myself. Lets have an independant enquiry and find out the full facts. I can always admit I was wrong if the correct proceedures were followed.

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