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It should be renamed the Auckland nines Circus the way its heading.

You won't be watching it then?

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beaver is exactly the type of forward you'd pick for 9s....

Why is that? 

 

Any player representing an NRL Club should be on that Clubs books for the season.

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It's an exhibition, let the lad play.

 

 

The last time this concept was played as the "Sevens" in 2004 it ended like this.

2004: tournament ceases[edit]

The lead-up to the 2004 tournament was disrupted by setbacks for the World Sevens. Some NRL clubs withdrew their top players. Steve Folkes, the Bulldogs coach, attacked the event, arguing that it put his players at risk of injury.[4]Other clubs including the Wests Tigers, Parramatta and Manly continued to support the event by fielding strong sides.[4] ARL chairman Colin Love threatened to change the rules to make it compulsory for all clubs to have their top players participate, and stated that any club which refused to do so could be hit with sanctions that involved them not being invited to participate in the following year's competition.[4]

The competition's standing was further weakened by news that Channel 9 would only be broadcasting a limited highlights television programme in areas of New South Wales and Queensland, despite having rights to show the event live.[4][5]

Ultimately, the fact that the 2004 tournament drew 15,000 fewer fans than the previous year led to the tournament being axed.

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Why is that?

well you wouldn't waste a forward spot by picking a fat pudding like george rose would you...lol

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well you wouldn't waste a forward spot by picking a fat pudding like george rose would you...lol

 

Why would you pick any forwards?

You would pick 100kgs backs as forwards and have them feed the fastest men at your Club out wide.

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From the little I have read about it, it was always going to be a circus with only New Zealand taking it seriously, and so these rumours are a desperate attempt to drum up publicity and interest into what looks like being a lame duck.

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The difference between this tournament and the last Sevens / Nines events in the Aussie comp is the money on offer , the full backing of the NRL , and the stipulations about minimum playing talent in each clubs team.

 

They will get paid 90,000 minimum for showing up, all expenses paid.

 

Compare that to hosting a pre season trial match which for most NRL teams runs at a loss and starts their Annual balance sheets in the negative.

 

Thereafter if you make the final four you get a large chunk of money , more profit than most clubs will see in a regular season game.

 

Down to the last eight , knowing you're within striking distance of that money , most Clubs will change their attitude after the initial opening games.

 

The NZ Warriors are not the only club taking the tournament seriously , the cash strapped Sharks are talking a full strength Side.

 

Penrith are well placed to field a awesome team for that type of game.

 

As for Old Fittler and a few other names being bandied about.....the publicity generated , getting the Nines talked about in any capacity is worth the gamble.

 

People will watch out of curiosity , one old guy and a few half committed clubs won't ruin a one city one tournament in one weekend extravaganza.

 

The bottom line is clubs will see sense when the Prize money is paid out.

 

Sam Tomkins adds a whole other dimension , it's a brilliant platform to launch his brand of football from.

 

I can't wait

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What sort of awesome team can Penrith field?

Tomkins will be found out in the NRL like he has been at Test level.

 

 

The concept of the "Nines" or "Sevens" is hard to sell in my opinion.

What is it and why should I watch it?

It is like the "fastest" man in League rubbish they used to have, when its first graders you see every week it has some interest, when its a bunch of fast unknown fringe or Junior players it means what?

 

NOT MUCH...

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What sort of awesome team can Penrith field?

Tomkins will be found out in the NRL like he has been at Test level.

 

 

The concept of the "Nines" or "Sevens" is hard to sell in my opinion.

What is it and why should I watch it?

It is like the "fastest" man in League rubbish they used to have, when its first graders you see every week it has some interest, when its a bunch of fast unknown fringe or Junior players it means what?

 

NOT MUCH...

Naiqama , Idris , Whare , Simmons , Mansour,

 

Penrith have a roster built for this form of the game.

 

There is a bigger picture than you are acknowledging in my opinion and that is this tournament ( mainly the move to NZ ) will offer far more promotion of the NRL than a preseason trial game that would have been played in it's stead.

 

Purest's  need to consider the Kids and generic sports fans before dismissing this format out of hand.

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What sort of awesome team can Penrith field?

Tomkins will be found out in the NRL like he has been at Test level.

The concept of the "Nines" or "Sevens" is hard to sell in my opinion.

What is it and why should I watch it?

It is like the "fastest" man in League rubbish they used to have, when its first graders you see every week it has some interest, when its a bunch of fast unknown fringe or Junior players it means what?

NOT MUCH...

It has not been a hard sell at all. Ticket sales have been fantastic.

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I agree it'll be a good launch pad for Sam, if he's over his knee problems that is. In the form he showed the first half of 2013 he'd go very well indeed.

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It has not been a hard sell at all. Ticket sales have been fantastic.

 

Three Million dollars in Profit from sales to date with a month to go before the tournament

 

The highest profit margin in NZ rugby league History three times over. 

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But what will a player like Beaver or Fittlers  bring to a game of nines?

Its a fast game where most of the players will be backs, not 100kg plus retired old men.

The fact he does not play for an NRL Club the same as Fittler doesn't should automatically rule him out.

 

It should be renamed the Auckland nines Circus the way its heading.

 

It brings news and hence media attention which helps drive the promotion of the event. It don't matter how much time or whether they play for the organizers it brings attention they hope will bring increased sales. 

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I've merged two separate threads relating to the Auckland Nines, and removed a bunch of posts that were just people slagging each other off.

 

Please use this thread to discuss all aspects of the Auckland Nines, pros and cons of the event itself, team selections, etc. but stay clear of personal insults or belittling the opinions of those you disagree with, or you may find you can no longer post on this forum at all for a while.

 

Thank you.

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What sort of awesome team can Penrith field?

Tomkins will be found out in the NRL like he has been at Test level.

Can you explain how Tomkins has been found out at test level because I fail to see why.

He got beat to a ball by Greg Inglis (probably the most athletically gifted player the sport has seen) and dropped 1 ball in the 2011 4N final but his ability under the high ball has much improved.

How else has he been shown up at test level? I'd honestly like to know as I have the stats and video footage which suggests otherwise.

If Tomkins were to play in the 9's or when he plays in the NRL he will excel. Despite playing against the Aussie supermen which don't exist.

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Can you explain how Tomkins has been found out at test level because I fail to see why.

He got beat to a ball by Greg Inglis (probably the most athletically gifted player the sport has seen) and dropped 1 ball in the 2011 4N final but his ability under the high ball has much improved.

How else has he been shown up at test level? I'd honestly like to know as I have the stats and video footage which suggests otherwise.

If Tomkins were to play in the 9's or when he plays in the NRL he will excel. Despite playing against the Aussie supermen which don't exist.

I watched a clip of Tomkins first training yesterday.

 

Looks like he is very much running the show with the New Zealand Warriors attack from the get go.

 

The New Zealand Warriors are an ad lib football side , they walk an uncomfortable balance between their natural flair and coaching structures , you will see them characteristically click and tear sides apart then lose their way and give up the big leads in games worse than any team the NRL has had.

 

Individually they have power runners who they are guilty of using to barge over people when they run out of places to go.

 

What they need is Sam Tomkins.

 

1) Vision

2) Experience 

3) Smooth ball distribution to weapons in their three quarter line like Hurrell and Vatuvei.

 

Tomkins will bring a lot more with his own running game , this just adds to his ability to make space for some of the power runners and speed men in the Warriors backline.

 

Sam Tomkins Southern Warriors are going to rip the other fifteen NRL clubs outside defence apart. 

 

Give it a couple of months for him to drill them into his Wigan stuff and look out.

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Can you explain how Tomkins has been found out at test level because I fail to see why.

He got beat to a ball by Greg Inglis (probably the most athletically gifted player the sport has seen) and dropped 1 ball in the 2011 4N final but his ability under the high ball has much improved.

How else has he been shown up at test level? I'd honestly like to know as I have the stats and video footage which suggests otherwise.

If Tomkins were to play in the 9's or when he plays in the NRL he will excel. Despite playing against the Aussie supermen which don't exist.

I think most people saw that line as blatant trolling and ignored it, rather than accepted it.  He has done well at test level, which is widely known as several people have witnessed the tests live and by television.

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Personally I though Tomkins was average in the World Cup, probably his biggest stage so far, and it will be interesting to see whether he can step up to the next level at this stage of his career, but I certainly don't think it can be said he has been found out.

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Do we know what position the warriors will be playing him?

Nothing confirmed yet but I've followed the NZWarriors since their inception and keep a very close ear to the Ground.

 

He will play Fullback if he chooses , that's my best guess based on the Following :

 

Key phrase is if he chooses.......he is very much in the box seat in terms of where he plays by virtue of the lengths the NZWarriors have gone to to secure his signature.

 

When Matt Elliot , our coach came here his Mantra numero uno was competition for spots.

 

We are a one nation club , we have the highest promotion rate of local players in the NRL.

 

Elliot talked about a problems with that and called it problems in the DNA and the furniture of the place.

 

Sam Tomkins as all are aware required very special negotiations between Wigan and NZ to secure his signature.

 

NZ bent over backwards to KeepTomkins signing the worst kept secret in the NRL , even though it would have been tempting to leak to the media in 2013......a year of turmoil for the Franchise and dissent from the fans.

 

NZ said nothing on the Tomkins rumors , that was entirely about keeping Sam and Wigan happy.

 

The world record transfer fee underlines that the NZW are prepared to have Sam whatever it takes.

 

Ergo if he wants Fullback he gets it.

 

Sams arrival at Fullback creates a plethora of options at half ( including one Kevin Locke who is an ex stand off.....Elliots been quoted as much when asked about what happens to Kev with Sam here )

 

A lot has been written about the Warriors having two international Fullbacks before Tomkins arival , but a similar log Jam is created in the halves ( if you are thinking Halves for Tomkins ).

 

Shaun Johnson is a dead cert in the halves , recent recruit Chad Townsend from Cronulla is pushing hard for the spot , Thomas Leuluai was the stand off last year....Pita Godinet was also given an extension as halves cover before the Wildcats pinched him.

 

Lastly Kevin Locke may have done his ACL in training today ( scans have been ordered ) which would place Glen Fisiahi the Tongan international fb and Sam in a head to head for the spot.

 

Based on all I have seen in these many years of backing the club , Sam will get what he wants.

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Personally I though Tomkins was average in the World Cup, probably his biggest stage so far, and it will be interesting to see whether he can step up to the next level at this stage of his career, but I certainly don't think it can be said he has been found out.

Obviously i followed Tomkins as have many NZW fans at the WC.

 

I also watched all of his games this year.

 

Ive seen him play live in NZ once.

 

Tomkins enigma ( along with so many other great players ) has been not show casing club form at international level.

 

There are two possibilities.

 

The favored argument of being found out ( I realise you are not using that one ) and the probability that the players club persona isn't utilised by the National team coach

 

I was more than happy with what I saw of Tomkins in the WC , namely when England went to him they had options ,  when they went away from that , they had other options which were arguably less fruitful. 

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To be fair, and I'm happy to be corrected by Wigan fans who saw more of him, but I don't think it was his best SL season either, with a fair few games missing.

 

That said, the sign of a class player is where he can be average but then pop up and do something brilliant out of the blue, which he does.

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Looking forward to the tournament.

Premier Sports are covering all games on UK t v.

Hope Andrew Voss is on the comentary  :rap:

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