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TheTerminator    506

In contrast to Mr Lockwood's claims, the lad assaulted is a really placid and good natured character. I really can't imagine him being 'threatening' or even 'abusive'.

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TheTerminator    506

Yet another left wing slant on things from our very own left wing socialist the terminator.

Don't think I said anything 'left wing', Rod. All I said was that, knowing the lad who was beaten up by Mr Lockwood, I'd be very surprised if he became abusive or attacked the defendant. Nothing to do with being 'left-wing'?

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grumpyoldram    688

Don't think I said anything 'left wing', Rod. All I said was that, knowing the lad who was beaten up by Mr Lockwood, I'd be very surprised if he became abusive or attacked the defendant. Nothing to do with being 'left-wing'?

 

So a respected business man (albeit not a universally liked one) decided to lamp a young lad and earn himself a criminal record for absolutely no good reason? I'd like to hear the full story from an impartial witness - there's always two sides. I've seen Liam behind the bar at the fox, and he does indeed seem an inoffensive type of lad, but they said the same about Gazza when he was sober. I'd guess DL went for a quiet drink and was provoked into an argument - no excuse for thumping somebody, but I guess all of us snap at some time, fortunately most of us walk away. Maybe being regularly subjected to abuse and death threats for doing his job (rather abrasively it has to be said) has left him just a tad tweaky - just saying.

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Piggy's mate    1,314

Sorry GOR no excuses for me and there are always two sides to it but the witness saw it all and I believe her....

aftet all she is my daughter ;)

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RPH    186

I blame stella artois.

And the price of stella artois

didnt stella have a twin sister ?......

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olddoggy    57

So a respected business man (albeit not a universally liked one) decided to lamp a young lad and earn himself a criminal record for absolutely no good reason? I'd like to hear the full story from an impartial witness - there's always two sides. I've seen Liam behind the bar at the fox, and he does indeed seem an inoffensive type of lad, but they said the same about Gazza when he was sober. I'd guess DL went for a quiet drink and was provoked into an argument - no excuse for thumping somebody, but I guess all of us snap at some time, fortunately most of us walk away. Maybe being regularly subjected to abuse and death threats for doing his job (rather abrasively it has to be said) has left him just a tad tweaky - just saying.

 

 

Fortunately GOR the British legal system has not yet evolved to the state where justice no longer seeks to rely upon the opinion of a qualified and learned arbiter taking due account of actual evidence, based upon first-hand witness accounts, but rather seeks to depend upon guesswork from someone without the remotest knowledge, either direct or indirect, of the event.  A drastic and disappointing exception to your usually objective and frequently witty offerings.  

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grumpyoldram    688

Fortunately GOR the British legal system has not yet evolved to the state where justice no longer seeks to rely upon the opinion of a qualified and learned arbiter taking due account of actual evidence, based upon first-hand witness accounts, but rather seeks to depend upon guesswork from someone without the remotest knowledge, either direct or indirect, of the event.  A drastic and disappointing exception to your usually objective and frequently witty offerings.  

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coolie    1,382

Who in their right mind follows somebody who they have just had a heated discussion with

To apologize???

Do people really believe this rubbish??

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Blind side johnny    2,549

Who in their right mind follows somebody who they have just had a heated discussion with

To apologize???

Do people really believe this rubbish??

 

 

Clearly the magistrates did, but what would they know?

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olddoggy    57

I take your point olddoggy, but as you say I, don't have the eyewitness accounts of the event - just what is written in the article ie, Mr Lockwood left the best room to avoid confrontation, and was then involved in a discussion which lead to him leaving the pub. Mr Ellis followed him for whatever reason and was assaulted. I have had an account from someone who was in the pub at the time,, which doesn't altogether tally with the reporters version of events but which doesn't completely exonerate either party. Nothing excuses extreme violence, but in the absence of the facts, I don't feel qualified to pass judgement on either party.  

 

What someone else tells you is, as I am sure you are aware, called hearsay.  You're quite right, you aren't qualified on the basis of hearsay to make a judgement.   We are all entitled to speculate as to what might have happened, but that is not the same as stating it as a matter of fact.

 

Clearly the magistrates did, but what would they know?

 

The matter was heard in a Magistrates' Court, but was actually presided over by a District Judge.  I guess your ironic comment is made all the more pertinent given that the case was heard by a qualified professional lawyer, never mind a lay-magistrate. 

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grumpyoldram    688

Fortunately GOR the British legal system has not yet evolved to the state where justice no longer seeks to rely upon the opinion of a qualified and learned arbiter taking due account of actual evidence, based upon first-hand witness accounts, but rather seeks to depend upon guesswork from someone without the remotest knowledge, either direct or indirect, of the event.  A drastic and disappointing exception to your usually objective and frequently witty offerings.  

Point taken olddoggy. I don't have hard facts about the incident, although a friend who was in the pub at the time, gave me the impression that neither party were totally blameless. I find it difficult to believe that someone could have a discussion with someone else about their implied racist tendencies and it not become heated, but of course I wasn't there so I don't know - still, if that was the case there would have been nothing to apologise for. I find it equally baffling that someone who felt threatened and in fear of his life would go for a walk round the car park, rather than just get the hell out of there, but there you go, not everybody is as objective as me. At the end of the day though, where assault is concerned, there is no excuse, something which the courts obviously agreed upon. For what it's worth, I don't know Danny Lockwood, I've never met him, and I'm not defending him -  neither do I know Liam (except as a barman), therefore I have no axe to grind. It would have been useful though, if the eyewitness statements had been published so that I could have judged for myself the actions of those involved.

 

 

Sorry, this now appears to be a duplicate post.

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olddoggy    57

Point taken olddoggy. I don't have hard facts about the incident, although a friend who was in the pub at the time, gave me the impression that neither party were totally blameless. I find it difficult to believe that someone could have a discussion with someone else about their implied racist tendencies and it not become heated, but of course I wasn't there so I don't know - still, if that was the case there would have been nothing to apologise for. I find it equally baffling that someone who felt threatened and in fear of his life would go for a walk round the car park, rather than just get the hell out of there, but there you go, not everybody is as objective as me. At the end of the day though, where assault is concerned, there is no excuse, something which the courts obviously agreed upon. For what it's worth, I don't know Danny Lockwood, I've never met him, and I'm not defending him -  neither do I know Liam (except as a barman), therefore I have no axe to grind. It would have been useful though, if the eyewitness statements had been published so that I could have judged for myself the actions of those involved.

 

 

Sorry, this now appears to be a duplicate post.

 

I think we would both agree that the press rarely deal in facts. Why publish the details if it might mean they got in the way of a good story.  Speculation and innuendo they believe is far more desirable than giving us plebs the chance to form our own opinions.  As they say - "Dog bites man, no story.  Man bites dog, now that's a story."

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Zuehb Zaki    15

 It would have been useful though, if the eyewitness statements had been published so that I could have judged for myself the actions of those involved.

 

You seem determined, as do others, to pass an opinion based on hearsay. You are entitled to sit in the visitors section of the court and hear all the evidence, you chose not to. You chose to pass a comment on something you know nothing about. This is your normal modus operandi and although it is acceptable to yourself it is not acceptable to most.

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phildog    264

It's just The Press folks, Dewsbury or Batley don't come into it. The paper covers both towns and surrounding areas and gives equal and balanced views to both rugby clubs. I don't know Danny Lockwood personally nor the other lad concerned, but it would appear to me to be 6 and two 3's here, and should have been sorted at the scene with a shake and an apology, whichever way round that should have been. This seems a case of being an easy case to prosecute instead of the local constabulary actually going out and about and catching proper criminals, but I forgot, there's no point in that due to our left wing 'do good' judiciary, who are more handy with wrist-slapping that actually locking people up. Blimey though,this is supposed to be our rugby forum!! Leave it out lads!!

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olddoggy    57

It's just The Press folks, Dewsbury or Batley don't come into it. The paper covers both towns and surrounding areas and gives equal and balanced views to both rugby clubs. I don't know Danny Lockwood personally nor the other lad concerned, but it would appear to me to be 6 and two 3's here, and should have been sorted at the scene with a shake and an apology, whichever way round that should have been. This seems a case of being an easy case to prosecute instead of the local constabulary actually going out and about and catching proper criminals, but I forgot, there's no point in that due to our left wing 'do good' judiciary, who are more handy with wrist-slapping that actually locking people up. Blimey though,this is supposed to be our rugby forum!! Leave it out lads!!

 

Wow!  How on Earth do you expect to convince people to heed your plea of "Leave it out lads!" by contributing the most provocative comments in the thread?  Criticism of the police, the judiciary and anyone left of Ghengis Khan hardly seems a recipe for a sincere request to drop the debate.  A strange group of bed-fellows to say the least.

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TheTerminator    506

It's just The Press folks, Dewsbury or Batley don't come into it. The paper covers both towns and surrounding areas and gives equal and balanced views to both rugby clubs. I don't know Danny Lockwood personally nor the other lad concerned, but it would appear to me to be 6 and two 3's here, and should have been sorted at the scene with a shake and an apology, whichever way round that should have been. This seems a case of being an easy case to prosecute instead of the local constabulary actually going out and about and catching proper criminals, but I forgot, there's no point in that due to our left wing 'do good' judiciary, who are more handy with wrist-slapping that actually locking people up. Blimey though,this is supposed to be our rugby forum!! Leave it out lads!!

A pretty staggering post.

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grumpyoldram    688

You seem determined, as do others, to pass an opinion based on hearsay. You are entitled to sit in the visitors section of the court and hear all the evidence, you chose not to. You chose to pass a comment on something you know nothing about. This is your normal modus operandi and although it is acceptable to yourself it is not acceptable to most.

Once more Zuehb, your wisdom serves as a beacon to illuminate the paths of those of us who lack your vision and insight. I shall indeed try to follow your example and spend more time in the courts.

You will be familiar with the  quote of the  Prophet Muhammad - “Convey to other persons none of my words, except those ye know of a surety.” I shall endeavour to live by that edict in future.

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Zuehb Zaki    15

 

You will be familiar with the  quote of the  Prophet Muhammad - “Convey to other persons none of my words, except those ye know of a surety.” I shall endeavour to live by that edict in future.

Once more you only use words that suit your purpose. The quotation you use ends with the words "Verily he who represents my words wrongly shall find a place for himself in the fire" Rather silly of you.

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olddoggy    57

I'm not sure that venturing into religious quotations is too wise.  As Shakespeare said "the devil can cite the scriptures for his purpose".  Words can be misrepresented when taken out of context - and all religions provide many examples of that.   

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