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Joe Whitley

Hock slams 'coward' McNamara

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What's that?  A player who wanted a drink so badly he was prepared to ruin his chances of playing for England now says he won't play for England?

 

Ah well.  Shall we pour you another?

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What's that?  A player who wanted a drink so badly he was prepared to ruin his chances of playing for England now says he won't play for England?

 

Ah well.  Shall we pour you another?

 

It surely can't be that hard to not drink for six weeks. I agree with you, if he isn't willing to make the sacrifice he doesn't deserve a spot in the squad.

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Mc namara was bang out of order not showing hock respect, phoning him to tell him and not arranging a meeting to tell him to his face!

Hock showed loads of respect by breaking the rules and not bothering to turn up for a meeting!

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The one viewpoint I do agree with is that the England managers job should be full time. I have no problems with it being Mcnamara but should be full time.

 

Laughable that we should even listen to Hock.

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It's not really a newsworthy story .

 

From a representative level , with Ginger Farrell , Ferres, Westwood , and the odd few Burgesses that can put a shift in as a backrow forward ,

Then you have Brad  Singleton , Elliot Whitehead and possiblely Greg Burke , Ben Currie  etc in the pipieline.  

It was unlikely Hock would prominently figure in future plans.

 

The interesting thing is this story , together with the recent press regarding Rangi Chase ' reconsidering his ' England ties smacks of Noble dealing with the baggage left over from the RLWC and instilling a team ethic.  

 

Koukash on McNamara , Chase & Hock getting the ' retaliation in first , it's Noble's Salford battening down the hatches. We all know it was Hocks mistake.   

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It's not really a newsworthy story .

 

From a representative level , with Ginger Farrell , Ferres, Westwood , and the odd few Burgesses that can put a shift in as a backrow forward ,

Then you have Brad  Singleton , Elliot Whitehead and possiblely Greg Burke , Ben Currie  etc in the pipieline.  

It was unlikely Hock would prominently figure in future plans.

 

The interesting thing is this story , together with the recent press regarding Rangi Chase ' reconsidering his ' England ties smacks of Noble dealing with the baggage left over from the RLWC and instilling a team ethic.  

 

Koukash on McNamara , Chase & Hock getting the ' retaliation in first , it's Noble's Salford battening down the hatches. We all know it was Hocks mistake.   

 

It's definitely newsworthy, a former international is labelling the national coach a coward.

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The general feeling I got from reading comments by non-RL people at the time of the incident is that Hock is an idiot. This is unlikely to change that view.

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It's definitely newsworthy, a former international is labelling the national coach a coward.

 

Ok LE are not exactly having to scrabble around to find a story this week , with Lenagan , Koukash , critical on the ' force majeure'  Sky contract & the 8yr term , Moran , Hetherington , Davy also seeming to imply a Marquee Player ruling was a  favoured . option.

 

Now A triptich of Salfordian MacNamara bashing.

 

It makes the SL launch all a bit low key.

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It's definitely newsworthy, a former international is labelling the national coach a coward.

 

yep but also depends how the story is presented. If the sentence started "disgraced...." then a little more about his behaviors including previous episodes then it would present itself in another light.

 

Whereas the journalist seems more keen in helping to attack Mcnamara rather than a laughable complaint from Hock angle...

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No one is expecting Hock to turn up on university challenge anytime soon .

 

An awful lot of squad issues in the England camp in the Autumn , not just the players but the bizzare press conferences & team selection.

Players seem to have took the brunt of the criticism. 

 

A similar question today in the Cricket World with the ECB booting K Pietersen , arguabley their highest ave run scorer & talent , but his off field activites & personality proving too much?

 

should a good management be able to deal/ control  with behaviour & personality and keep ' in camp ' or air the dirty laundry ?

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I'd have got a few Burgesses to tell him.

It's news. Let's not knock it. All publicity...

Interesting to reflect on this the day after KP was "retired" from playing for England. To what extent should allowances be made for potential game changers in a wider group? To end up losing 3 potentially significant squad members and going into the most important game of the decade minus one of our best players suggests to me a failure of man management on McNamara's part. Combined with a total lack of professionalism on the part of the players involved.

Reading about Wigan in the late 80s/early 90s, lots of those players were awkward and hated each other. The greats were given far greater leaway than some might consider healthy. The result was the greatest team our game ever saw in the open era. You don't pick Hock without a tailored strategy for dealing with him and considering how the group will blend. Picking him and then failing to deal with him results in the worst of all worlds.

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Reading about Wigan in the late 80s/early 90s, lots of those players were awkward and hated each other. The greats were given far greater leaway than some might consider healthy.

 

 

Which ones hated each other? Quite a few hardnuts in that team.

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It seemed,was,and is, a disgraceful way to treat any human being on any level and there also seemed to be an air of victimization about the whole process.
It started off on Twitter rumours and then Gareth Hock explaining on a tv interview that he missed his rehab after going for a drink.

As a comparison;in the round-ball game southern softie stereotype Glen Hoddle was man enough to go to the room of Paul Gascoigne and tell him he had lost his place in the England national side.

In rugby league Australia went for a drink together in the days/nights leading up to a game.Slater got himself separated and involved in an altercation,was arrested,housed in a cell for a time and then released.

His management were adult.Dealt with it correctly and Slater was part of a world cup winning team.

Hock wasn't.Just hung out to dry amidst any allegation that could be thought up by the 'supporters' of the game.

Pleased he is at Salford.Hope he has a fabulous 2014.

Here is another foreigner teaching the thick English that you should not treat every individual the same because everyone is different

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25778998

 

He is enjoying success as well.( Even with a troublemaker from Salford ! )
 

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It seemed,was,and is, a disgraceful way to treat any human being on any level and there also seemed to be an air of victimization about the whole process.

As a comparison;in the round-ball game southern softie stereotype Glen Hoddle was man enough to go to the room of Paul Gascoigne and tell him he had lost his place in the England national side.

 

 

With the best will in the world, I wouldn't be too bothered by Paul Gascoigne having a swing at me. Not that it was in his nature, anyway.

 

Gareth Hock has never needed much, if any, excuse to start whacking people, and he's really good at it.

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There are at least 2 issues here,

Hock has to understand he broke the rules and only has himself to blame. He has to live with the consequences.

 

There are questions about the man management and how the outcomes have been dealt with.Was Hock dealt with fairly and equally to say Hardaker?

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yep but also depends how the story is presented. If the sentence started "disgraced...." then a little more about his behaviors including previous episodes then it would present itself in another light.

 

Whereas the journalist seems more keen in helping to attack Mcnamara rather than a laughable complaint from Hock angle...

 

Not at all, I was simply reporting the facts. There is no purposeful angle on it. It is not right to impose your view on others, you tell readers what has happened and let them make up their own mind.

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To get respect you have to earn it.

 

What does Hock think he did to get some.

 

Very good point.

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It surely can't be that hard to not drink for six weeks. I agree with you, if he isn't willing to make the sacrifice he doesn't deserve a spot in the squad.

 

It's not; unless you are mentally weak and lack common sense.

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What's that?  A player who wanted a drink so badly he was prepared to ruin his chances of playing for England now says he won't play for England?

 

Ah well.  Shall we pour you another?

He won't be missed at international level.

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I believe that the two incidents where players went out for a drink and the way the coach dealt with them showed that there was a lack of respect for the coach throughout the squad.    I couldn't see this being the problem it became under say, Shaun Wane or Paul Anderson who I'm sure would have dealt with it quietly in camp.    Yes, one or two players let themselves down by disregarding the no drinking condition and they have to live with it but the coach shouldn't walk away from it looking all "lilywhite" because he handled it very poorly IMO.

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To get respect you have to earn it.

 

What does Hock think he did to get some.

 In fairness, he did introduce an entirely new word into the English language....I'm sure its only a matter of time before "overlied" is as common as "selfie"......

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