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Carvell back to Hull FC?

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Hull, whose need for a new front-rower increased after injuries last weekend to Liam Watts and Chris Green, confirmed their interest on Thursday, saying they are monitoring the situation.

"The club have been made aware of Carvell's availability and could look to formalise a deal for the Challenge Cup winner in the near future once his situation has been clarified," Hull said in a statement.

 

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Now confirmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/26157339

Reasonably happy with this, one year to prove his fitness. Hope we don't hear anything along the lines of "I never wanted to leave,I was forced out, etc, etc..." regarding leaving Hull, obviously.

 

 

Sooner or later Hull are going to come good, I know i have said this often enough, Maybe the new coach is going to make the difference. He could be this years P Anderson.

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So he walked out of his original Hull contract and has now walked out of another contract to resign with Hull. Sounds like a trustworthy kind of guy.

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I think his career is always going to go down hill from here. He doesn't have the focus, desire and motivation to do what Morley and Peacock have done. I think he will take as much money as he can at this stage.

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Its harsh to criticise him for leaving Bradford to go to Hull.

It would be harsh to criticise anybody leaving Bradford to guarantee their wage.

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Its harsh to criticise him for leaving Bradford to go to Hull.

It would be harsh to criticise anybody leaving Bradford to guarantee their wage.

 

People don't seem to see that League players have a right to look after themselves like anyone else.

 

How do we know Bradford arn't happy to let him go. They know they have to finish 12th or higher, they will be planning to do that, they may see Carvells money being more usefull later in the season. I know they have just signed him but things seem to change daily at Bradford. My money is still on them.

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Now confirmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/26157339

Reasonably happy with this, one year to prove his fitness. Hope we don't hear anything along the lines of "I never wanted to leave,I was forced out, etc, etc..." regarding leaving Hull, obviously.

He left to win trophies, now home for early retirement payday. Wink wink

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?..

 

How do we know Bradford arn't happy to let him go. They know they have to finish 12th or higher, they will be planning to do that, they may see Carvells money being more usefull later in the season. I know they have just signed him but things seem to change daily at Bradford. My money is still on them.

Probably because we've now lodged a complaint with the RFL and seeking legal redress.

If FC wanted him they should have signed him from Warrington. Carvell has been taking the Club's wages and cruising around in a club car yet at the same time says he no longer an employee. He can go **** himself.

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Some pretty daft comments on here I reckon.

I think Carvell saw some very real problems at Bradford and has secured a deal at Hull to secure his career. I would have done the same in his place as would 99% of us.

I wish him well and still don't get why Wire let him go, but then again I'm not Tony Smith. He knows what he's doing.

Good luck Carvs and I hope the Hull fans welcome him back, he's a blooming great signing.

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Probably because we've now lodged a complaint with the RFL and seeking legal redress.

If FC wanted him they should have signed him from Warrington. Carvell has been taking the Club's wages and cruising around in a club car yet at the same time says he no longer an employee. He can go **** himself.

Maybe he thought the Bulls wouldn't see the season out and the Bulls could go #### themselves,after all would you stay at a company that lurches from one financial disaster to another.

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Maybe he thought the Bulls wouldn't see the season out and the Bulls could go #### themselves,after all would you stay at a company that lurches from one financial disaster to another.

I wouldn't sign a contract with such a company if I thought it was that bad.

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I wouldn't sign a contract with such a company if I thought it was that bad.

I'm sure he was given assurances that everything in the garden was rosy to get him to sign.

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Probably because we've now lodged a complaint with the RFL and seeking legal redress.

If FC wanted him they should have signed him from Warrington. Carvell has been taking the Club's wages and cruising around in a club car yet at the same time says he no longer an employee. He can go **** himself.

Gaz has a youngster and wants stability, sorry to be blunt, bulls offer nothing!!

Wish him all the best, and he'll go well for FC

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Probably because we've now lodged a complaint with the RFL and seeking legal redress.

If FC wanted him they should have signed him from Warrington. Carvell has been taking the Club's wages and cruising around in a club car yet at the same time says he no longer an employee. He can go **** himself.

 

That's fair comment, But as someone has said, was he given the full sp, and to be fair to Bradford did they even know it themselves at the time.

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There's some odd logic here...

If 99% would do the same the why haven't 99% of the other players left? Have our troubles been so hidden over the last few years that Carvell was totally oblivious to them before he signed only a few months ago? Are we not stronger for this change? Has he not been paid? Has he not swapped a 2yr deal for a 1yr one? Did he not, only a few days ago, proclaim publicly that he was enjoying his time at the club and was looking to play beyond his contract? Does anybody really think that the Bulls will fold given the news in the last few weeks? Oh, and of course Gaz has a youngster when no other player has.

Don't turn this into a club thing, it's not about that. Whatever your club loyalties let's see this for what it really is. Remind me again who his agent is and what his recent activities have been.

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There's some odd logic here...

If 99% would do the same the why haven't 99% of the other players left? Have our troubles been so hidden over the last few years that Carvell was totally oblivious to them before he signed only a few months ago? Are we not stronger for this change? Has he not been paid? Has he not swapped a 2yr deal for a 1yr one? Did he not, only a few days ago, proclaim publicly that he was enjoying his time at the club and was looking to play beyond his contract? Does anybody really think that the Bulls will fold given the news in the last few weeks? Oh, and of course Gaz has a youngster when no other player has.

Don't turn this into a club thing, it's not about that. Whatever your club loyalties let's see this for what it really is. Remind me again who his agent is and what his recent activities have been.

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Do have sympathy for Konkrete's point about how this seems to have come about, but resolutely in the camp of those who say Carvell only has to worry about his own future and family. I also think that some of the received wisdom about his attitude etc is miles off based on how he 'treats' clubs; he's a genuinely decent bloke.

I also think Hull have got themselves a terrific signing and regret that Warrington let him leave.

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I have no sympathy at all, he could have done it very simply by stating he wanted to leave the Bulls, and Bradford have a proven record for letting disaffected players leave the club.

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In the press release they seem annoyed that he was taking wages since last year, but what exactly is the issue with that? Doesn't the TUPE thing relate to the administration from a couple of weeks ago?

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This:

 

"A letter was sent to Carvell last week from the clubs HR specialist, ‘Elcons’ explaining that they did not accept his refusal to transfer to Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd, adding that his playing contract will only allow him to resign if the club is guilty of serious and persistent breach of the terms and conditions of this agreement."

"The spokes person added: "We are of the opinion that no such breach has taken place and therefore we assert that he was not entitled to resign from his position as the transfer of his employment in itself does not constitute a serious or persistent breach of the terms and conditions of his agreement.

"The letter went on to explain the Agreement which was entered into last year is with “the Club” being referred to as “Bradford Bulls”. The change in ownership does not affect this Agreement given that Bradford Bulls remains as the Club. The letter finished off by requesting that Carvell return to work/training immediately.

 

 

reads to me like Bradford are refusing to adhere to TUPE by using his playing contract against him.

 

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Bradfords fault he wants to leave. If the club had not been so badly run and the club, messing people about, he would have stayed. But when you have people involved who are more interested in points scoring and finger pointing, instead of running the club properly, then its no surprise players decide they have had enough. The problem Bradford face also that any quality players will think twice before signing for them until the club is run properly for a bit. Bradford have little to offer as they currently are and players and their agents will be wary of signing.

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