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NRL 9's to look at inclusion of ESL clubs after Wigan request.

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Well if they're going to invite SL clubs over, then I hope it would all of them and not just the big clubs. Also if we're looking at having one over here, I'd have it in January and take it to a new area rather than the M62.

Call me a wimp, but as much as I love RL I wouldn't want to sit for 7 or 8 hours in the cold, wind and rain of a British winter.

The Auckland nines works as a pre season hit out in the southern hemisphere summer, but to hold a tournament over here, mid season in our summer would disrupt our domestic calendar.

How many coaches would field strong teams if they are trying to avoid dropping into the second tier of 8 or were looking to get to the GF?

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Call me a wimp, but as much as I love RL I wouldn't want to sit for 7 or 8 hours in the cold, wind and rain of a British winter.

The Auckland nines works as a pre season hit out in the southern hemisphere summer, but to hold a tournament over here, mid season in our summer would disrupt our domestic calendar.

How many coaches would field strong teams if they are trying to avoid dropping into the second tier of 8 or were looking to get to the GF?

If there was a good wedge of cash involved for the winners, then I reckon they'd take it seriously.

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How would that work though?

A team made of of several countries competing against Club sides?

Next it will be France and PNG and the tournament that is supposed to be a Club game is something else all together.

It is doable, but I don't agree that it should be done. I think it's important that the rep game and the club game are kept separated. The last thing we want is to devalue the image of the English (and international) game by including a rep side as an equivalent to just one of 16 club sides down under.

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england got to the final of the 2003 world 7s..don't recall it damaging "england"

How many games did England play in 2002-2007 outside of the 7s? There was nothing to damage.

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If we're looking at international teams, then they should focus on the ones closer to home like PNG, Fiji, Samoa and also the likes of the Philippines, Japan, Thailand and even China, since the Asian market has been neglected by the Australians for far too long. I'd even throw in Latin Heat, to try and gain some coverage in the Latino media. 

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how old are you??? serious question

Probably slightly older than you.

The first Test match I saw live was at the Sydney Cricket ground  when Australia beat GB 13-12 in 1977.

 

Was it something that I said?

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If the World Club Challenge will now be played in Aus on alternate years (not sure if that's than plan?) then maybe the English team that's over there could play in it (ie, like Wigan wanted to).

That would give an English team every couple of years, any maybe on the alternate years replace them with a team from somewhere else

Would be a good warm up for them too ahead of the Club Challenge

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I would personally like to see the Magic weekend evolve in to a 9's tournament. It would need investment and big prize money but it's been proven it can be successful in the NRL.

Just brainstorming but it could start with something simply like:

12 SL clubs, France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland.

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All I can say to ESL fans after a weekend at the Auckland Nines is......if you can get there and your clubs playing.....it will be the most good vibe rugby league fan meeting and melting pot you could ever imagine.

 

People standing in line from sixteen clubs chatting rugby league and wishing each others teams the best for the weekend. 

 

It is stunning......like Miss World and Miss universe are fond of saying.....in the Rugby league world it is....

 

World peace.

 

A Hundred thousand happy faces over two days...no agro....kid safe.....and as every team came out for the first time they were shocked by the ' opposition fans ' sending up a massive roar for them.

 

I hope four ESL teams make 2015 , you will not regret it

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All I can say to ESL fans after a weekend at the Auckland Nines is......if you can get there and your clubs playing.....it will be the most good vibe rugby league fan meeting and melting pot you could ever imagine.

People standing in line from sixteen clubs chatting rugby league and wishing each others teams the best for the weekend.

It is stunning......like Miss World and Miss universe are fond of saying.....in the Rugby league world it is....

World peace.

A Hundred thousand happy faces over two days...no agro....kid safe.....and as every team came out for the first time they were shocked by the ' opposition fans ' sending up a massive roar for them.

I hope four ESL teams make 2015 , you will not regret it

We've had that type of event/atmosphere for decades, it's called the Challenge Cup final.

Fwiw as a Championship fan I have no interest in Magic Weekend in its current format but if they made it a SL 9s tournament I'd definitely go and I'm sure I'd be able to get some rl newbies to come as well!

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We've had that type of event/atmosphere for decades, it's called the Challenge Cup final.

Fwiw as a Championship fan I have no interest in Magic Weekend in its current format but if they made it a SL 9s tournament I'd definitely go and I'm sure I'd be able to get some rl newbies to come as well!

Cool.  Did you go to the SuperLeague 9s at Headingley?

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Probably slightly older than you.

The first Test match I saw live was at the Sydney Cricket ground  when Australia beat GB 13-12 in 1977.

 

Was it something that I said?

 

 

How would that work though?

A team made of of several countries competing against Club sides?

Next it will be France and PNG and the tournament that is supposed to be a Club game is something else all together.

 

 

yeah that bit you said about a team made up of several countries against club sides....made you sound like a 15 year old lol

 

how is it different to a NRL team made up of aussies,kiwis,fijians & png lads?? for example

 

 

ps your first test was 2 years before i was born...you've got a few years on me mate lol

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Cool. Did you go to the SuperLeague 9s at Headingley?

No I didn't, mainly because I didn't know about it until you just mentioned it. Anyway a poorly promoted event at Headingley is hardly the same as a 9s tournament at Etihad, replacing the Magic Weekend, is it?

I could get my footy loving mates to go to Etihad because you can sell it as an event, where as there's little chance they'd be interested in standing in the South Stand at Headingley.

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a idea 

 

 

three 9's events down under & three in the northern hemisphere..

southern hemisphere.

australia day 9's 16 clubs - jan
auckland 9's 16 clubs - feb
RLIF 9's 16 national teams (8 from pacific + 8 from RLEF*) - feb

northern hemisphere

championship 9's number tba - may
magic 9's 16 club - june
RLEF 9s 16 national teams,that come under the RLEF* banner..plus the likes of *usa,jamaica,south africa etc - insteas of a mid season international - july


sounds a winner to me

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yeah that bit you said about a team made up of several countries against club sides....made you sound like a 15 year old lol

 

how is it different to a NRL team made up of aussies,kiwis,fijians & png lads?? for example

 

 

ps your first test was 2 years before i was born...you've got a few years on me mate lol

 

 

I thought an NRL Club team made up of players from wherever has no relation to a GB team that is a representative team of nationals from  their respective countries of eligibility.

 

Keep it the way it is, its contracted to be played in Auckland for another couple of years with a two year option.

 

The Kiwis have made a good fist of it, they should be allowed to have their moment in the Sun without alternatives springing up elsewhere downunder.

 

If ESL want to have another go at a nines type of tournament I think that would be great.

 

Have a good day young fella  ;)

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I think they should keep the nines as it is, a club format with a welcome mat to say a island team with no club players involved. ? So say Fiji wanted to add a team, or PNG, then allow them to enter a team but they cant pick any players from the club footy teams, so Uate and Ranrandra would not be allowed to play for Fiji, and Segreago  or David Mead would not be allowed to play for PNG. That would keep the game not a proper international make-up and not dilute the nines to a international contest, only use that for Commonwealth games or Olympics. 

 

It will make sure the contest does not become too intense. That could spoil this thing. 

All the super league clubs can be invited, after a nines playoff system so the top 4 teams can enter. 

 

Someone said that Magic week-end be replaced by nines, yes, and to make it even more exciting, turn it into a qualifying comp for the NRL Auckland nines and it will become a huge success. 

Anyhow, happy days. 

The NRL is booming, nines has been a revelation, so has Dave Smith and Jim Doyle. 

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THE undeniable success of the Auckland Nines has changed the rugby league landscape forever.

Too big a call?

Multi-millionaire Eric Watson doesn’t think so. And given the New Zealand Warriors owner once decked Hollywood Gladiator Russell Crowe, it would take a brave man to argue.

Last Friday Watson invited all 16 NRL chief executives and NRL chief executive Dave Smith for a barbecue at his house, which has its own golf course.

His soiree was a first. An important first for the game.

 

Auckland Nines top tries - Day 2 3:28
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The top tries from Day 2 of the Auckland Nines.

 

“Thirteen years I’ve been involved with the Warriors,’’ Watson said. “And I would never have envisaged 16 NRL CEOs sitting in my lounge room and the CEO of the NRL as well.

“Then to have them all come and play at Eden Park ... we all have big dreams, but to imagine it even occurring was beyond any dreams.

“The exciting thing is that the NRL has matured so much. When I was first involved in the game, the CEOs didn’t like each other, the coaches didn’t like each other.

“That extended to how it was operated as an organisation but it got to the point where these guys realised we’re all on the same team.

“The CEOs are all on the same team. They have a brand, they have a business and they have a sport that competes with others. And now they’re getting their act together and the result is this.’’

 

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Stands packed with fans cheering on the Warriors during the Auckland Nines at Eden Park, Auckland, New Zealand. pic Mark Evans Source: News Limited

By “this” he means consecutive capacity crowds of 46,000 in a country obsessed with rugby union — and New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key walking freely among the masses, smiling for photos with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Power Rangers.

The atmosphere at the event was unlike the raw emotion that grips us during State of Origin. Different too to NRL grand final day, when only two teams matter.

It was a carnival of high-powered rugby league skill and athleticism, a celebration and an advertisement that will leave a footprint in New Zealand long after the yellow five-point try paint has been removed from Eden Park.

Bulldogs, Sharks, Warriors and Tigers merchandise all sold out before midday yesterday.

“It’s like something we’ve never seen before,’’ an NRL official said.

Even Smith, who refuses to sway from the script of “expansion’’ and ‘‘growth’’, couldn’t help having a subtle dig at the rival code as he stared out over a raucous crowd.

“This is much better than sevens,’’ Smith said.

 

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Kodi Nikorima of the Broncos on his way to a try against the Eels during the Auckland Nines at Eden Park, Auckland, New Zealand. pic Mark Evans Source: News Limited

So impressed with the entertaining, expansive and high-risk style of rugby league that the Nines promotes, one chairman of a Sydney NRL club is already planning to introduce a Nines carnival within his junior league.

“It will be an annual event here, but there could be subsections of mini NRL Nines in other places that feed into this,’’ Watson said. “The value of that commercially for sponsors, for owners, is massive.’’

However, the true measure of where the Nines ranks among the players will come next year.

Will the stars who sat out this year try to twist the arms of their coaches who want to keep them in cotton wool? As Brisbane’s Alex Glenn said: “Everyone in the NRL wants to be a part of this.”

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We've had that type of event/atmosphere for decades, it's called the Challenge Cup final.

Fwiw as a Championship fan I have no interest in Magic Weekend in its current format but if they made it a SL 9s tournament I'd definitely go and I'm sure I'd be able to get some rl newbies to come as well!

There is nothing like this.

 

Unlike the CC final , it isn't the intensity of nerve wracking Club V Club final. 

 

There are sixteen clubs all thrown in together sitting side by side all at once.

 

I can't do the experience justice from a keyboard.

 

The last word will go to ticket sales next year which will be gone on the first day.

 

It is a Sea of CLub colours.

 

More like a Rugby club Olympics crowd without the ESL there, akin to the Cold War Olympics with the yanks patting themselves on the back in the absence of the Eastern BLock....it could be better.

 

They have to be there , it is unique

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There is nothing like this.

 

Unlike the CC final , it isn't the intensity of nerve wracking Club V Club final. 

 

There are sixteen clubs all thrown in together sitting side by side all at once.

 

I can't do the experience justice from a keyboard.

 

The last word will go to ticket sales next year which will be gone on the first day.

 

It is a Sea of CLub colours.

 

More like a Rugby club Olympics crowd without the ESL there, akin to the Cold War Olympics with the yanks patting themselves on the back in the absence of the Eastern BLock....it could be better.

 

They have to be there , it is unique

I have to agree, this is unlike anything ever seen before, and a game changer for sure worldwide for Rugby League. 

To understand how big this is would be hard for anyone who has not been to this event or understands the logistics and class of this event. 

At top level, this can compare to Origin, but more so on a world stage because of the international aspect which can become this event. 

Here is a better report from the warriors CEO. 

This is really big. And it is only going to get bigger, most have no idea how good this event is, or will become. 

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/2091537/auckland-nines-great-for-nrl-in-new-zealand-but-warriors-not-keen-to-share-turf-just-yet/?cs=12

 

It mentions that the NRL and the Event holders shared 10 million from the event. Add Merchandise sales which soldout, not to mention every man women dog and his kids want to be part of this next year, along with anyone who is anyone and you have yourself a World-class event held in a future events city. Auckland. They have big ambitions as well. 

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I'm disappointed to see they are going to  play the 9's in NZ for the next 3 years.

 

No disrespect to NZ but the growth potential there is very limited

 

Limited by The popularity/power of NZRU and by population size.

 

Population of UK              63.7 million

 

Population of Australia     22.7 million

 

Population of NZ                4.4 million

 

Population of China       1,351 million

 

RU have control of Japan, but  there are countries that don't have successful sporting teams that could build a name for themselves in RL's small pond.

 

NZ is a very small market in global terms, how will a focus of resources on NZ grow the Brand  significantly ?

I think those figures miss the point entirely ( not having a go at you it seems simple maths supports the traditional view ) .

 

Rugby league has had a televised presence in those countries ( forget about China they have gone to Union and they are communist = they are concrete thinkers , first and last served )

 

England for all the millions , Aussie for all it's Millions....have had rugby league available to those fan groups for a century.

 

NZ on the other hand has had nothing of significance television Audience wise & no professional rugby league comp to follow.

 

Mean time it has produced the best Rugby team in the world.

 

Those are the factors Rugby league need to take a close look at. They produce more quality rugby players for the small numbers playing and the other big two countries have fed off them for a long time.

 

The NZ part of the pie has been poorly supported by the world of Rugby league to it's overall detriment.

 

The NRL has done the most to support NZ rugby league.

 

Rugby League is looking like gaining two to three Million more fans in the NZ nines format.

 

Where are those numbers instantly available in the bigger markets like the UK and Aus ? ...they're not...they're hypothetical versus the real market the NRL nines has exposed

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Makes you wonder if they can mix in the WCC and the 9s. I think they could benefit each other.

I'm still adamant that the best WCC format is two groups of four and the top teams meeting in the final.

This year has seen the NRL 9s played alongside Wigan having a warm up AND a WCC game. Could that warm up not become an additional game?

If the MW was to become a SL 9s, could the final of the WCC not be played also?

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I was away most of the weekend and started watching the 9's last night (I got 6 games in) and hopefully will be watching it all week.

 

I am convinced that we should be running a Super League version of this out of the Etihad in place of the magic weekend.  Maybe in other venues if it proves popular.

 

I think it's an absolutely cracking event and provides something much better than 7s in either code.  it is very watchable, more so than watching 3 or 4 full length matches in a day.

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Makes you wonder if they can mix in the WCC and the 9s. I think they could benefit each other.

I'm still adamant that the best WCC format is two groups of four and the top teams meeting in the final.

This year has seen the NRL 9s played alongside Wigan having a warm up AND a WCC game. Could that warm up not become an additional game?

If the MW was to become a SL 9s, could the final of the WCC not be played also?

 

 

WCC on the friday night

 

"world 9's" on saturday & sunday ,  8 NRL & 8 ESL

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