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Does anywhere have the tries/highlights?

 

(Didn't your local papers have it on their website?)

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Does anywhere have the tries/highlights?

(Didn't your local papers have it on their website?)

no they haven't done for the last few years.

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no they haven't done for the last few years.

 OK no worries cheers

 

Good luck or the rest of the season!

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Cheers , we may need a bit more than that . There's some teams even outside the top 5 looking very strong and improved ,and that's a concern. Making a top 9 even now looks a eyewatering threshold

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Looking at it now, it would seem as though relegation last year and winning champ 1 this would have been an easier route than finishing top 9 in the championship this year. That bottom division is so weak at the moment and if we even had the squad we have now it would have been a pretty easy league to win.

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Obviously I don't want us to go down but if we do and so do Haven and Barrow it won't be a complete financial disaster. We'll retain most of our squad as most of them are local and won't move to play at a higher level unless they want to travel out of the county and attendances will probably go up as, theoretically, we should win more games.

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If, heaven forbid, we did go down we would be no better off, financially, than we are at present. The problem is that the clubs that remain in the Championship will have DOUBLE the amount of central funding, at least, and therefore the financial gap would grow for every year you spent in the lower league. Even the club being promoted from Championship 1 this season would have almost double what we would get.

We would all hope and pray that if we went down we could get back up fairly quickly, but so would all the other clubs taking a drop and in that situation I could see some clubs getting in to financial problems in their fight to get up. So, whilst initially, it might not seem like a financial disaster, a number of years down could bring about a complete disaster.

Attendances might go up but just as we don't expect to pay SL prices when watching Championship matches then we wouldn't expect to pay the same as now to watch Hemel or Gloucester (no disrespect intended to those two clubs).

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75 grand champ one .... Existing championship clubs who survive 550 - 150 grand . The worry is everything to do with the restructuring is to do with the top 24 - even using the term 'top 24' tells you everything . The rest seems a twilight zone and embarrassing afterthought at present. And reading things like no money is ring fenced for championship one in future raises alarm bells . Nothing is fatal but clawing back up is no given . 14 clubs - maybe fellow Cumbrian clubs - having a dogfight for one spot is it , or two ? And every year you fail to win it you drift further apart financially .

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75 grand champ one .... Existing championship clubs who survive 550 - 150 grand . The worry is everything to do with the restructuring is to do with the top 24 - even using the term 'top 24' tells you everything . The rest seems a twilight zone and embarrassing afterthought at present. And reading things like no money is ring fenced for championship one in future raises alarm bells . Nothing is fatal but clawing back up is no given . 14 clubs - maybe fellow Cumbrian clubs - having a dogfight for one spot is it , or two ? And every year you fail to win it you drift further apart financially .

its gonna be 2 teams up and down league winners and play off winners it wont be easy either

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Hang on there folks we have only played one game and ok lost, we have secured a bonus point, all this doom and gloom wont do the players confidence much good if they think we are writing them off already, we all know we need strengthening in areas but lets not shut shop just yet, we will start to sound like our friends, who by the way arnt to happy with big Dave!! lets have faith in the team and the board its still early days. :sleep:

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The concept that you drift further apart for every year you stay downis incorrect. Clubs will spend their entire funding strengthening their squads and won't retain any profit. Therefore when you start the new season in the higher league you'll be on a level playing field with the ones from the lower part of the league above. Similarly if you manage to stay out of the bottom 2 this season there'll be an additional £15k parachute payment.

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I don't think anyone is writing us off but it is important for everyone to know the full extent of relegation this season. We are all living hopes that we will strengthen soonest but we are in the hands of others, it seems, as to how we do that and when? That is the worry.

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We've put ourselves in the hands of others . Please Wigan and Salford help us out ? What if they don't or they pull the carpet out from underneath us . It's a risky plan , but we've been there.

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The concept that you drift further apart for every year you stay downis incorrect. Clubs will spend their entire funding strengthening their squads and won't retain any profit. Therefore when you start the new season in the higher league you'll be on a level playing field with the ones from the lower part of the league above. Similarly if you manage to stay out of the bottom 2 this season there'll be an additional £15k parachute payment.

I think you need to explain that GeordieTownie. Which clubs will spend their entire funding strengthening? What profits? If you mean the Championship clubs then what do you think the Championship 1 clubs will be doing with their £75k? And how would they then be on a level playing field with those above?

Surely, there is just as much chance of Championship 1 clubs spending their entire funding on strengthening in an effort to get promoted, isn't there, but not just as much as the others?

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Exactly. so when they start the new season at the higher level they'd have the same funding for the coming season apart from the Championship 1 team will probably have won additional funds for winning the championship or winning a play off.

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But they could be two , three , four years behind in development . Teams with huge financial injections repeatedly building up their playing resources in the championship . Every year the resources to build from strength in the championship . You'll suddenly have equal money but you'll be in year one and behind the 8 ball in regard the rest . Getting right up in year one minimises that , and not being in that situation at all is even better ! Fingers crossed.

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I see. You are assuming that the Championship 1 team got promoted though and that is the big problem. If they didn't then how long do you think they would survive spending all their funding each year on strengthening the squad?

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All clubs spend all their money on strengthening their squad. It's hand to mouth, very few clubs develop they spend the majority on players.

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Lets do a rewind Geordie. At present Championship clubs (our league) get (I believe) £90k in funding and Championship 1 (the league below us) get £60k (I think).

At the end of this season, 2014, five clubs drop from our league to Championship 1 and one team goes in the opposite direction. For the following season, 2015, the minimum amount a Championship club will receive is £150k from central funds, whilst the lower league clubs will get £75k.

That's a £75k difference and if the amounts stayed the same, without any increases, that would £75k difference each season, meaning the overall difference gets larger each year.

You can't assume that if you were one of the 5 relegated teams this season that you would get promoted next season. A club in the higher league could spend just two thirds of their funding (£100k) and still have spent £25k more than the lower league spending the whole of their funding.

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It doesn't make any difference you're only ever competing with the teams in the same league as you so it doesn't matter what a team in a different league gets as you aren't competing with them. If a team gets £150k or £75k you can guarantee they'll spend it and therefore start the following season at zero as you'll have spent it all.

That means if you come up and get £150k or you were already up and getting £150k it won't matter as you'll start the season with nothing other than the £150k due for that year plus any other revenue stream you have.

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Let me put it simpler. If one man gets £150 per week and blows it all and another man gets £75 per week and blows it all, when the man on £75 gets a pay rise to £150 per week he isn't any worse off than the bloke who's been getting £150 previously as they both started the week with nothing.

Does that make sense now???

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In very simplistic terms yes it does but it relies on many other "ifs" and "buts" like all the higher league clubs spending all their funding and if the lower league actually managing to get promoted by spending all their funding.  Otherwise, I think I go along with my economics as being closer to the norm.    

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When have you ever known a rugby league club not spend all of their money? The whole idea is that in general they are non profit making so invariably they spend every penny. It's not ifs and buts it's fact. With that in mind it's a mile away from the norm.

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