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John Drake

Bradford Bulls deducted 6 points & purchasers withdraw

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I don't believe in a well run Superleague that Bradford would go bankrupt. Events led to it but in the end as above the SL clubs and the RFL themselves put the knife in.

 

If one of Fartown or Bulls are "lesser" it's Fartown with respect. Bulls were still pulling the bigger crowd last week.

 

It makes every difference  who is in the league. As I said clubs who don't have fans or local junior clubs are no use to the game.

 

You still persist in the idea that it's OK to have an empty stadium and no local RL as long as the chairman is loaded and can import a team. We are poles apart on that.

 

 

I don't believe in a well run Superleague that Bradford would go bankrupt. Events led to it but in the end as above the SL clubs and the RFL themselves put the knife in.

 

But the reality is they are bankrupt,  There is much talk about the Knife being put in, but if you mean the 6 points , they will soon pull them back i think, If Its the money and the greedy SL clubs sharing it , I have some sympathy with that, I didn't like it when it happened to Giants and Wakey either.

 

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If one of Fartown or Bulls are "lesser" it's Fartown with respect. Bulls were still pulling the bigger crowd last week

 

 

You need not worry about hurting my feelings, Iv'e been watching far too long to bother about stuff like that.

 

Bulls have always had good crowds in SL, probably because they have been great to watch,  But neither one has saved them, I get no pleasure in Bulls predicament at all, I hope things get sorted, And more to the point i bet KD does.

 

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It makes every difference who is in the league. As I said clubs who don't have fans or local junior clubs are no use to the game.

 

 

With due respect , that is your opinion and i understand why you have it. But i think that should Ken Morrison decide to put some of his millions into Keighley, they would be perfectly acceptable If they never got more than 5.000 fans, Same as what's happening at Salford, Giants and others. You know that's true but you can't accept it, it seems, It's not the ideal situation  , But what "could be" isn't worth Diddly squat, It's "what is" that counts.

 

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You still persist in the idea that it's OK to have an empty stadium and no local RL as long as the chairman is loaded and can import a team. We are poles apart on that.

 

 

And you still  persist that the requirments for SL are a potential  minimum crowd of X number, and production of X number of Juniors, Desirable as all that may be, ( and i agree it is desirable ) Events are proving otherwise, There will only be 5 or 6  clubs that fit your bill, So what do you think A 6 team SL till some more get up to speed ? Except they won't get up to speed if they don't play in SL will they.

 

I don't say It's OK Parky, I say it's what we have got.  I would love to see Wigan's or Leed's crowd at every club, but we don't have it.

KD has worked very hard to get crowds at Hudderfield, It's not his fault if the people don't want Rugby league in the same numbers as the people of Wigan, What do you want him to do , Just walk away, Will that put things right at Bradfoed.

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The council are a bigger mess than the Bulls IMO - and that's saying something. Talk about investigative journalism, someone really should really do a job on Bradford Council (not just over sport by the way).

Absolutely

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It appears the former directors are now in process of suing the rfl, you couldn't make it up really

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It appears the former directors are now in process of suing the rfl, you couldn't make it up really

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12213/9194686/former-bradford-bulls-chairman-mark-moore-accuses-rfl-of-misleading-club

 

The Rugby Football League is to respond privately to a threat of legal action from the three directors who quit Bradford last week.

Chairman Mark Moore and co-directors Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt, who formed Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd to run the ailing Super League club after it went into administration, withdrew their offer to the administrator after the club was docked six competition points and placed in special measures by the governing body for breaching the game's insolvency regulations.

In a bitter war of words, Moore accused the governing body of misleading the club throughout their dealings, with RFL chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer laying the blame for the crisis at the directors' failure to fulfil their promise to purchase the club from former owner Omar Khan.

The three directors have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer effectively accused them of lying, and Moore has called on the RFL to issue an apology.

An RFL spokesperson said: "There will be no public response but we will respond to Moore's lawyers appropriately."

The RFL is now involved in talks with Leeds-based administrator David Wilson in an effort to find a new buyer for Bradford.

 

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I hope a bed supplier doesn't think that the RFL has been lying.

 

https://www.duedil.com/director/918282000/mark-moore

Think he's already indicated that he believes that is the case.

 

At the end of the day, the RFL had already passed them as 'fit and proper' and had been advising them for weeks - how can the authorities come out with the statement they did? I love the bit in the RFL's latest statement  where they say they will respond "appropriately", what a laugh, doing something appropriately, that will make a change for them. I'm not surprised they don't want anything to come out - I hope Moore crucifies them in court.

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I think it's about time some Bulls supporters remember that they are lucky to still have a club to support,maybe if the RFL hadn't bought Odsal,they might be already be consigned to the history books.

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Think he's already indicated that he believes that is the case.

 

At the end of the day, the RFL had already passed them as 'fit and proper' and had been advising them for weeks - how can the authorities come out with the statement they did? I love the bit in the RFL's latest statement  where they say they will respond "appropriately", what a laugh, doing something appropriately, that will make a change for them. I'm not surprised they don't want anything to come out - I hope Moore crucifies them in court.

You can be a "fit and proper" business owner but still not be the right man for the job.  I pass all the "fit and proper" tests for this but I couldn't afford to bankroll the Bulls.

 

Here's the RFL's statement again, I see nothing in there that's actionable in any way beyond bluff and bluster.  The very black and white terms used by the RFL should all easily be provable either way by one or both of the sides of the story.

 

One thing that's confused me about the whole thing though, how can they use the Bulls' own money to buy the club?  I thought the club had about 2 or 3 pence spare rolling around the back of the meeting room sofas and that's about it...  If they planned to do it by debt, much like the Glazers did with Man Utd, who in their right mind would loan the Bulls any money beyond a payday loan shark?

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I'll repeat what I wrote before, it is due to the RFL buying Odsal that the Bulls went to the wall. The RBS decided because the ground had been sold the club had lost its assets, and wouldn't allow any more credit. Sadly, it appears that many fans think that Bradford were helped by the League buying the ground. The Independent had a very interesting article about the RBS hit squad which was written about in the Total Rugby postbag around Xmas time. Apparently many sporting clubs went out of existence due to the RBS actions, Bradford being the biggest. After causing the crisis it seems strange that the RFL have put such a huge fine on the Bulls, and obligingly are sharing it out between the other Super League clubs.

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I'll repeat what I wrote before, it is due to the RFL buying Odsal that the Bulls went to the wall. The RBS decided because the ground had been sold the club had lost its assets, and wouldn't allow any more credit. Sadly, it appears that many fans think that Bradford were helped by the League buying the ground. The Independent had a very interesting article about the RBS hit squad which was written about in the Total Rugby postbag around Xmas time. Apparently many sporting clubs went out of existence due to the RBS actions, Bradford being the biggest. After causing the crisis it seems strange that the RFL have put such a huge fine on the Bulls, and obligingly are sharing it out between the other Super League clubs.

what would of been the outcome had the RFL not taken on the lease, anybody know?

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what would of been the outcome had the RFL not taken on the lease, anybody know?

Probably much the same

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Probably much the same

Except that Odsal's lease would be a RBS asset rather than RFL one.

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You can be a "fit and proper" business owner but still not be the right man for the job.  I pass all the "fit and proper" tests for this but I couldn't afford to bankroll the Bulls.

 

Precisely. I wrote here before - for Bulls fans who don't seem to grasp the fact - that the FAPP test does not require you have the knowledge to run a rugby club, just have a good business portfolio. They are lucky to still be afloat at all.

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I'll repeat what I wrote before, it is due to the RFL buying Odsal that the Bulls went to the wall. The RBS decided because the ground had been sold the club had lost its assets, and wouldn't allow any more credit. Sadly, it appears that many fans think that Bradford were helped by the League buying the ground. The Independent had a very interesting article about the RBS hit squad which was written about in the Total Rugby postbag around Xmas time. Apparently many sporting clubs went out of existence due to the RBS actions, Bradford being the biggest. After causing the crisis it seems strange that the RFL have put such a huge fine on the Bulls, and obligingly are sharing it out between the other Super League clubs.

Which begs the question,why did the RFL buy Odsal if the Bulls were able to pay the RBS loans.It's pretty obvious they couldn't or they wouldn't have sold it to the RFL.

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You still  persist that the requirments for SL are a potential  minimum crowd of X number, and production of X number of Juniors, Desirable as all that may be, ( and i agree it is desirable ) Events are proving otherwise, There will only be 5 or 6  clubs that fit your bill, So what do you think A 6 team SL till some more get up to speed ? Except they won't get up to speed if they don't play in SL will they.

 

10 clubs investing £200,000,000 of SKY money would be up to speed in no time. Imagine 10 clubs all on big crowds all developing big junior scenes. Beats empty seats and importing players.

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One thing that's confused me about the whole thing though, how can they use the Bulls' own money to buy the club?  I thought the club had about 2 or 3 pence spare rolling around the back of the meeting room sofas and that's about it...  If they planned to do it by debt, much like the Glazers did with Man Utd, who in their right mind would loan the Bulls any money beyond a payday loan shark?

 

The indication in Martyn Sadlers article today was the new directors wanted either the RFL to reinstate the withdrawn TV money or advance future monies from the TV deal.

 

The RFL seemingly called this buying Bulls with their own money, and did not care for the idea on the basis that the proposed new owners were not putting any money in themselves.

 

IIRC they declared they would not do that some time ago, but would run the club as many on here want whereby income and outgoings would match. i.e. don't spend what you don't earn.

 

If there has been a rich buyer in the background recently then maybe the RFL thought they'd just elbow these lads out, I don't know but Mr. Sadlers article seems to be a fair shout.

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10 clubs investing £200,000,000 of SKY money would be up to speed in no time. Imagine 10 clubs all on big crowds all developing big junior scenes. Beats empty seats and importing players.

 

I can imagine all sorts of things, Till it happens we have what we have.

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