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This sort of thing is as annoying as the emails at work that tell everyone off instead of dealing directly with the person or couple of people who have made the error. 

 

Confronting and managing people or situations must be really dangerous these days as I rarely come across anyone that can do it. So, instead, everyone gets penalised.

 

Oh, and by the way, we all work and find it hard getting time off for appointments etc, not just teachers. I'd appreciate if teachers would just say it's difficult with work to attend on the date / time offered, instead of starting the conversation with " I'm a teacher" as if I should clear the decks, cancel every other persons appointment booked in school holidays, and say name your slot, the rest of us will work around you.

 

Rant over ...for now

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Surely the life experiences that your kids will have while away, will outweigh any of the missed lessons at school. My mother was a teacher so we had no option but to go away in the school holidays however I had some terrible teachers at school and missing a few of their lessons wouldn't have harmed my education. You no whats best for your kids, so you should do what is best for them, I would say travelling and showing them a different country/culture would be a great life experience for them

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At the end of the day, when all is said and done, schooling for children between around 4 and a half and 16 is statutory.  Parents have a legal obligation to ensure their children attend school.  While sickness and other sufferings have always, rightly, been taken into consideration, holidays are a luxury. 

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You've had that irony bypass then?

 

Riiiighhhtttt ....

 

So you don't have a problem with the middle classes buying their way out of their responsibilities.

 

'kay.

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Oh, and by the way, we all work and find it hard getting time off for appointments etc, not just teachers. I'd appreciate if teachers would just say it's difficult with work to attend on the date / time offered, instead of starting the conversation with " I'm a teacher" as if I should clear the decks, cancel every other persons appointment booked in school holidays, and say name your slot, the rest of us will work around you.

 

Teachers are special as any teacher will tell you.

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Teachers are special as any teacher will tell you.

 

....at every opportunity.....

 

 

Be that as it may - and I am making  a general  point here as 1976PMJwires has made his decision  as he is free to do,- I still think that taking such a calculated view of whether or not to take kids out of school in term time sends out exactly the wrong message to the kids involved and to the school involved.. It says " I am buying privilege" ..something I thought the surviving Guardianistas on here would have condemned out of hand.

 

Turning to the price of  theatre tickets, match day tickets for the best seats, the price of fuel on the motorway, the prices of food at your local SPAR compared with Tesco hols in school holidays, its a combination of demand management and what the market will bear in very much the same way that most peoples wages and salaries are set.

 

Of course it is possible to have perfectly fine and (relatively) affordable  kids hols during school holidays here in the UK and in Europe.

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Well no actually, why should anyone have to pay £2500 more to go on hol during the school holidays?, its a massive con run by a cartel of holiday companies, I very much doubt it will do the kids in this case any harm at all.

 

Sure it might not do the kids any direct harm ( though indirectly it might) but aren't t the parents buying privilege in this way, and educating their kids to buy privilege, too?  

 

As for a cartel, how do you set your prices? 

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Why has this got anything to do with class structure or buying privilege,as far as I can see,it's about not being ripped off by travel companies.

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it's about not being ripped off by travel companies.

 

Supply and demand.

 

Until that changes prices will rise when demand is highest.

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Some more interesting comments and I will stress this is a one off....again a one off!!

Kid 1 - ahead in all subjects and a pleasure to teach, wish there was 30 off him

Kid 2 - on target or above target in all subjects - first year high school.

Kid 3 - GCSE's this year, already gained passes a year early in 3 subjects, school extremely happy with her

The above doesn't make my decision correct, however I know it won't effect them!!

Thanks again for the replies, I'll be glad when they've finished school.

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Supply and demand.

 

Until that changes prices will rise when demand is highest.

Obviously.Maybe school holidays should be staggered around the country.

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Some more interesting comments and I will stress this is a one off....again a one off!!

Kid 1 - ahead in all subjects and a pleasure to teach, wish there was 30 off him

Kid 2 - on target or above target in all subjects - first year high school.

Kid 3 - GCSE's this year, already gained passes a year early in 3 subjects, school extremely happy with her

The above doesn't make my decision correct, however I know it won't effect them!!

Thanks again for the replies, I'll be glad when they've finished school.

 

 I'll be glad when they've finished school.

 

You'll find its like having a ball and chain removed from your ankle!!!

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Obviously.Maybe school holidays should be staggered around the country.

They should be.

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Obviously.Maybe school holidays should be staggered around the country.

Only problem with that is if you have children going to school in different areas. Or parents who are teachers teaching in different areas to their children and then having different holidays. I know growing up my brother and I went to schools in different LEAs and my parents both taught in another one each, with maximum separation of about 40 miles between us.

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 I'll be glad when they've finished school.

 

You'll find its like having a ball and chain removed from your ankle!!!

Can't wait

  

They should be.

The Germans do it and it works, prices have come down gradually

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Only problem with that is if you have children going to school in different areas. Or parents who are teachers teaching in different areas to their children and then having different holidays. I know growing up my brother and I went to schools in different LEAs and my parents both taught in another one each, with maximum separation of about 40 miles between us.

As with most problems of this nature,there won't be a solution to suit everyone.

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As with most problems of this nature,there won't be a solution to suit everyone.

My point was more that it would probably make the problem worse as rather than being a financial benefit it could be that the only way to have holiday time together would be to take the children out of school or at least one of them due to lack of overlap. Either that or it would condense the peak season to the period of various areas' overlap of holiday making the premium for these super-peak times even higher. Law of unintended consequences has a habit of biting you on the bum.

My personal view is that this isn't a problem that needs solving. There's always going to be a peak season with higher prices then (and therefore lower prices in the off peak periods, don't forget that) and in a capitalist society supply and demand is always going to have an impact.

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If you can't afford it don't go, or chose somewhere more affordable. Being pulled out of school because your parents believe it's their right to a holiday abroad was unheard of when I was a kid in the 80's. 

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If you can't afford it don't go, or chose somewhere more affordable. Being pulled out of school because your parents believe it's their right to a holiday abroad was unheard of when I was a kid in the 80's. 

No one has said it is their right to foreign holidays,just that people shouldn't be held to ransom by holiday companies,again,would you be willing to pay an extra £2500 for the same holiday a few weeks later?

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No one has said it is their right to foreign holidays,just that people shouldn't be held to ransom by holiday companies,again,would you be willing to pay an extra £2500 for the same holiday a few weeks later?

 

If people weren't prepared to pay it the companies wouldn't charge it.

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I went to Bridgewater, happy days.

A great school, I left in 1992, what about yourself?

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If you can't afford it don't go, or chose somewhere more affordable. Being pulled out of school because your parents believe it's their right to a holiday abroad was unheard of when I was a kid in the 80's.

Rubbish, it's always happened.

Just to be clear !!

I can afford, I've saved up for it!!

2500k saved, means no debt to come back too.

I know I'm wrong in what I'm doing, however I'm doing it with no regrets.

I can put the savings to an Xmas holiday in the school holidays

Just hope no school goes on strike, as I won't be able to pay child care.

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A great school, I left in 1992, what about yourself?

 

1997-2002, then another two years in Sixth Form. It was always a good school, although I was and remain bitter about the way they ignored the presence of rugby league in the town.

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Academy schools can already alter term times if they want and this can cause a major headache if you have more than one child at school and a massive headache if the kids are in infants, junior and high school as mine will be. Often it's not about avoiding an expensive holiday, it's about not having a choice.

 

Further, modern education is so far removed from the 80's (I refer to a post above) that it is unreal. These days education is achieved through many varied ways that by-pass the classroom and parents are involved far more now than then. Academy schools can specialise, federate with other schools and taylor curriculums. For that reason I believe parents have a right to determine what their kids are exposed to and should be given time allowance each year to educate their kids as they see fit. If this is a foreign holiday then great. It's just as valuable as a week or so working in an office.

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