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And today's Ukip blunder is ...

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Stealing a slogan from the BNP:

 

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(via the normally Ukip friendly Guido)

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Who needs to attack UKIP  when they do such a good job of it it themselves? 

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Well given the alternatives are a party that thinks a woman in a coma is fit for work and a party with a deputy leader that won't apologise for supporting paedophilia it's way down the list of mistakes

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That's not quite right though, unless you think that Tony Blair when he gave the WCA contact to ATOS in 1998 and renewed it in 2007 is personally responsible.   

 

What I'd like to see is Cameron kicking out the swivel-eyed Dorries's from the right of the party, which would make it possible for the more  sensible  Lib Dems to join a proper party rather then casting envious glances toward Milibrain 

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Two things JohnM:

 

  1. It wasn't Atos who sent the letter to the woman in a coma, it was the DWP, via the contractor Seetec.
  2. It is very hypocritical of you to have a go at posters on here about making personal comments about the likes of Eric Pickles to then do exactly the same yourself about Ed Miliband, it undermines any credibility you may have had.

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Don't think that kind of blunder has any effect on 'the man in the street'.  There was a news item a couple of days ago that said that based on a Guardian poll, ukip was the second largest 'European election' party in the UK, based on  number of voters.  I know that I have heard a number of my friends, both left and right politically, say they are voting for ukip at the next euro elections just to' give the conservatives/labour a wake up call.' 

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Oh, they'll win the European elections.  Would be something of a shock if they didn't.

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Two things JohnM:

 

  1. It wasn't Atos who sent the letter to the woman in a coma, it was the DWP, via the contractor Seetec.
  2. It is very hypocritical of you to have a go at posters on here about making personal comments about the likes of Eric Pickles to then do exactly the same yourself about Ed Miliband, it undermines any credibility you may have had.

 

 

2. No its not hypocritical, though it might be a lowering of standards to the forum norm. In any case, we have been given permission  to do this by the mods.  see here: http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php/topic/248667-eric-pickles/  post # 10

 

The reality is that its officially OK for people to be offensive on here about Pickles but not about the forum's political favourites.

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Don't think that kind of blunder has any effect on 'the man in the street'.  There was a news item a couple of days ago that said that based on a Guardian poll, ukip was the second largest 'European election' party in the UK, based on  number of voters.  I know that I have heard a number of my friends, both left and right politically, say they are voting for ukip at the next euro elections just to' give the conservatives/labour a wake up call.' 

Yeah I'll be voting for UKIP even though I was once a Labour supporter as to me a party that lets the working class and lower middle classes keep the vast majority of their earnings is creating a more equitable society than one which hammers lower earners with tax to spend it on hordes of overpaid and for the most part incompetent public sector managers and handouts to banks as to me that's redistributing income up the social classes

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Yeah I'll be voting for UKIP even though I was once a Labour supporter as to me a party that lets the working class and lower middle classes keep the vast majority of their earnings is creating a more equitable society than one which hammers lower earners with tax to spend it on hordes of overpaid and for the most part incompetent public sector managers and handouts to banks as to me that's redistributing income up the social classes

So you haven't actually read any of their manifesto promises or examined their spending plans in any detail at all then?

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So you haven't actually read any of their manifesto promises or examined their spending plans in any detail at all then?

Is that you impression of how a typical voter approaches the matter?

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Is that you impression of how a typical voter approaches the matter?

You'd like to think so wouldn't you.

At the very least apply the "If the Daily Mail's in favour I'm against it" test

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You'd like to think so wouldn't you.

At the very least apply the "If the Daily Mail's in favour I'm against it" test

But Guido and the daily mail seem to be turning against UKIP.... :ph34r:  :codemafia:

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So you haven't actually read any of their manifesto promises or examined their spending plans in any detail at all then?

I have, they want to expand employment through industry and build lots of council houses to make housing more affordable plus bring in free prescriptions, dentistry, opticians and scrap university tuition fees. All sounds like something people used to vote Labour for. My biggest concern is whether they can afford to fulfil their manifesto promises on the lower tax base, I guess it would be a gamble that their stimulation of industry works. Better than either voting for punitive taxes on the lower earning workers or for trying to starve disabled people into work.

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I have, they want to expand employment through industry and build lots of council houses to make housing more affordable plus bring in free prescriptions, dentistry, opticians and scrap university tuition fees. All sounds like something people used to vote Labour for. My biggest concern is whether they can afford to fulfil their manifesto promises on the lower tax base, I guess it would be a gamble that their stimulation of industry works. Better than either voting for punitive taxes on the lower earning workers or for trying to starve disabled people into work.

All pretty good and laudable but how come so many of their local reps seem to be right-wing loons?

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http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php/topic/248801-and-todays-ukip-blunder-is/#entry2890989

All pretty good and laudable but how come so many of their local reps seem to be right-wing loons?

It depends on the area of the country, they tend to be ex-Labour in Labour areas and ex-Tory in Conservative areas. I do agree the party lets in people it shouldn't, largely due to being a smaller party wanting support.

 

My personal hope is that UKIP live up to their promises and deliver an Australian style economy where jobs are plentiful and almost anyone can walk into a job paying a living wage, negating the need for most welfare spending and thus exempting 'low' earners from income tax. I don't believe it's a coincidence that Australia has a more equitable society than the UK. In an ideal world I'd sympathise with socialism but in the real world I don't believe it takes account of human ambition and the fact that people aren't all born equal

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It depends on the area of the country, they tend to be ex-Labour in Labour areas and ex-Tory in Conservative areas. I do agree the party lets in people it shouldn't, largely due to being a smaller party wanting support.

 

My personal hope is that UKIP live up to their promises and deliver an Australian style economy where jobs are plentiful and almost anyone can walk into a job paying a living wage, negating the need for most welfare spending and thus exempting 'low' earners from income tax. I don't believe it's a coincidence that Australia has a more equitable society than the UK. In an ideal world I'd sympathise with socialism but in the real world I don't believe it takes account of human ambition and the fact that people aren't all born equal

 

First, I have to confess that I am fairly ignorant on Australian social and political issues, however...

 

I have come across many references to the plight of the Aboriginal people. As far as I am aware, many of them live in abject poverty and suffer a higher rate of alcoholism than the general population. Indeed, I have a vague recollection of a recent Australian PM apologising to the Aboriginal community for their treatment by the wider Australian community.

 

Of course, I could be wrong about Australia, but I think most countries have a poor "underclass" and claims of being "more equitable" are merely subjective.

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First, I have to confess that I am fairly ignorant on Australian social and political issues, however...

 

I have come across many references to the plight of the Aboriginal people. As far as I am aware, many of them live in abject poverty and suffer a higher rate of alcoholism than the general population. Indeed, I have a vague recollection of a recent Australian PM apologising to the Aboriginal community for their treatment by the wider Australian community.

 

Of course, I could be wrong about Australia, but I think most countries have a poor "underclass" and claims of being "more equitable" are merely subjective.

AFAIK the problem is largely that Aboriginal affairs are essentially "devolved" which means that Aboriginal politicians steal all the money given to them by the Australian government and the Aboriginals live in third world poverty.

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AFAIK the problem is largely that Aboriginal affairs are essentially "devolved" which means that Aboriginal politicians steal all the money given to them by the Australian government and the Aboriginals live in third world poverty.

the other problem is Aborigines are new to farming and so haven't yet evolved genes for things like digesting alcohol and sugar leading to horrific rates of diabetes and alcoholism. On the other hand most Aborigines have a very strong visuo-spatial memory (was necessary for their old lifestyle) that with proper governance could benefit them

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Stealing a slogan from the BNP:

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(via the normally Ukip friendly Guido)

So the BNP used it as a slogan. Does it now mean the phrase "Love Britain" is out of bounds to everyone who isn't a racist?

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So the BNP used it as a slogan. Does it now mean the phrase "Love Britain" is out of bounds to everyone who isn't a racist?

 

When some non racists use it I'll let you know.

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So the BNP used it as a slogan. Does it now mean the phrase "Love Britain" is out of bounds to everyone who isn't a racist?

In a similar way to the appropriation of the Cross of St George as a political emblem, yes it probably is.

I have a pair of Cross of St George cuff links that I am fairly uncomfortable wearing outside an arena that will clearly identify me with a sporting event in case I get mistaken for a UKIP / BNP supporter.

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So you haven't actually read any of their manifesto promises or examined their spending plans in any detail at all then?

 

You'd like to think so wouldn't you.

At the very least apply the "If the Daily Mail's in favour I'm against it" test

 

 

Do you see the contradiction in your two posts?

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Do you see the contradiction in your two posts?

Do you take everything said on here seriously?

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