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The Warriors are becoming a consistent Team because Mcfadden is changing the fabric of their Game.

 

Instead of relying on power runners to create second phase they are using Tomkins experience with structure and timing skills to play 'ball beats the man' conventional Rugby League. They have been using the back door play to create a one on one for Hurrell all season.....against the Eels Sam Let the ball go early instead of drawing the defender and tipping it on......he has done this before for us ( and so familiar to ESL fans ) but Konrad has had the habit of needing to draw the next defender and try to break through......or pass to his Wing late.

 

V the easier teams the structures are coming together more fluidly and this mob is learning what every other NRL team lives by.....play the move....don't over play your link in it.......ergo Konrad after early ball from Sam....passes early to Fusitua.....who at six foot four with aerial skills is pretty hard to stop on the outside leaping over the corner flag.

 

The same subtle changes are happening in defence. The Warriors let go stalwart high tackle count forward Elijah Taylor and have brought in a very different type ( Sebastian Ikahihifo ) Lock forward. Seb has great line speed. That has seen them able to drive the runners backwards....prior to that the Warriors were a soft target with their small pack.....teams consistently bend their line. 

 

It's all coming together and the unsung hero of the team is Chad Townsend, he is the anchor of that spine, nothing flashy, he provides the Glue between Tomkins and Johnson. 

 

Sam's team mates are finally sticking up for him in the Niggle.....the cheap shots aren't going free any more.....I think the Refs awarded Sam something like three penalties because his team mates are forcing them to look more closely every time the ruck blows up into some pushing and shoving. 

 

Big test for Sam and the Warriors this weekend. The Broncos on their home turf after we towelled them up at Mt Smart will be tough. Brisbane defend well on home soil, If the Warriors can score points on them they're in good shape as far as playing the game plan during an ambush ( Brisbane will be ready "). 

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The Warriors are becoming a consistent Team because Mcfadden is changing the fabric of their Game.

Instead of relying on power runners to create second phase they are using Tomkins experience with structure and timing skills to play 'ball beats the man' conventional Rugby League. They have been using the back door play to create a one on one for Hurrell all season.....against the Eels Sam Let the ball go early instead of drawing the defender and tipping it on......he has done this before for us ( and so familiar to ESL fans ) but Konrad has had the habit of needing to draw the next defender and try to break through......or pass to his Wing late.

V the easier teams the structures are coming together more fluidly and this mob is learning what every other NRL team lives by.....play the move....don't over play your link in it.......ergo Konrad after early ball from Sam....passes early to Fusitua.....who at six foot four with aerial skills is pretty hard to stop on the outside leaping over the corner flag.

The same subtle changes are happening in defence. The Warriors let go stalwart high tackle count forward Elijah Taylor and have brought in a very different type ( Sebastian Ikahihifo ) Lock forward. Seb has great line speed. That has seen them able to drive the runners backwards....prior to that the Warriors were a soft target with their small pack.....teams consistently bend their line.

It's all coming together and the unsung hero of the team is Chad Townsend, he is the anchor of that spine, nothing flashy, he provides the Glue between Tomkins and Johnson.

Sam's team mates are finally sticking up for him in the Niggle.....the cheap shots aren't going free any more.....I think the Refs awarded Sam something like three penalties because his team mates are forcing them to look more closely every time the ruck blows up into some pushing and shoving.

Big test for Sam and the Warriors this weekend. The Broncos on their home turf after we towelled them up at Mt Smart will be tough. Brisbane defend well on home soil, If the Warriors can score points on them they're in good shape as far as playing the game plan during an ambush ( Brisbane will be ready ").

I agree with all of that but would also note the play of Nathan Friend and how he's dramatically changed his style of play at dummy half - even to the point where he's often collecting the ball one handed on the run! His play is more dynamic and IMO he's giving the forwards an extra 1-2m with every run. Great to see.

What I really like about Tomkins is the line he often runs before joining in a back line move. He'll often run from the left of the ptb to 20m right of the mark on a flat diagonal - making it hard for the defence to number up - and invariably creating an overlap.

I'm enjoying being a Warriors fan right now :-)

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Just reading 6 Again with Andrew Voss. Nice bit about Tomkins there. The bit that caught my eye was this:

 

"And here's one more fact you need to know about Sam that may surprise you, (besides that he has a chihauhau called Keith). Shaun Johnson told me he is the quickest player at the club."

 

Seems his knee injury at Wigan hasn't affected him at all.

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Just reading 6 Again with Andrew Voss. Nice bit about Tomkins there. The bit that caught my eye was this:

 

"And here's one more fact you need to know about Sam that may surprise you, (besides that he has a chihauhau called Keith). Shaun Johnson told me he is the quickest player at the club."

 

Seems his knee injury at Wigan hasn't affected him at all.

He's speeding up.

 

I thought he held back at the start of his NRL adventure....there have been short bursts of speed but too few to be fair ( count them on one hand ).

 

Tis good for us that Sam is the quickest player at the moment. Glen Fisiahi might be the fastest player in the NRL, he would go close, having him out obviously makes Tomkins speed more essential than ever.

 

Sams done a hip flexor at training....might not play this weekend.

 

Big blow if that's the case, the Warriors have to win without his not too insignificant contribution.

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He's speeding up.

 

I thought he held back at the start of his NRL adventure....there have been short bursts of speed but too few to be fair ( count them on one hand ).

 

Tis good for us that Sam is the quickest player at the moment. Glen Fisiahi might be the fastest player in the NRL, he would go close, having him out obviously makes Tomkins speed more essential than ever.

 

Sams done a hip flexor at training....might not play this weekend.

 

Big blow if that's the case, the Warriors have to win without his not too insignificant contribution.

If Sam's out, it'll be a good test for a newly-confident Warriors. Same as if Johnson or Townsend got a niggle or was on a ban. A good team has to be able to cope with such inevitabilities throughout any season.

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He's speeding up.

 

I thought he held back at the start of his NRL adventure....there have been short bursts of speed but too few to be fair ( count them on one hand ).

 

Tis good for us that Sam is the quickest player at the moment. Glen Fisiahi might be the fastest player in the NRL, he would go close, having him out obviously makes Tomkins speed more essential than ever.

 

Sams done a hip flexor at training....might not play this weekend.

 

Big blow if that's the case, the Warriors have to win without his not too insignificant contribution.

 

 

How is fastest measured?

Over short distances like 30 metres or over length of the field?

 

Michael Jennings has explosive acceleration and is regarded as one of the quickest over 30 metres but drops back at longer distances.

Jarryd Hayne is pretty quick although he has filled out a bit and lost some pace from what he had a couple of years ago.

 

Not many players have both blistering acceleration and the ability to go long distance.

Ben Barba and the Morris boys are no slouches in that category.

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True. the Nineties Wigan team's wingers were Jason Robinson (explosive acceleration from a standstill, but not the fastest over a longer distance) and Martin Offiah (smoother acceleration, but virtually uncatchable once up to speed). Different kinds of pace.

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I think pace over 50-60m is the most important distance. It is very rare that a player will go 90-100m, but not too unusual to get into a 50m foot race, whether on a break or chasing back.

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How is fastest measured?

Over short distances like 30 metres or over length of the field?

 

Michael Jennings has explosive acceleration and is regarded as one of the quickest over 30 metres but drops back at longer distances.

Jarryd Hayne is pretty quick although he has filled out a bit and lost some pace from what he had a couple of years ago.

 

Not many players have both blistering acceleration and the ability to go long distance.

Ben Barba and the Morris boys are no slouches in that category.

 

Some players struggle to get into their stride with a ball off balancing their sprinting style as well.

 

Rugby Union has the genuinely quick players these days at wing.

 

Brian Habana at his peak would smoke all of those guys. Carlin Isles that plays rugby sevens for the USA just may well be the fastest player in both codes currently.

 

One of the ideas for the Auckland nines this year is to have a sprint race on grass with all the genuine speedsters whether selected for the nines to play or travelling with the team lining up for a out and out speed fest ( as opposed to the half pie races where the Union Wingers smoked the Leaguees )

 

There are guys that are quick off the mark as you say, really the only ones that belong in a speed race to my way of thinking are the players that can sustain it over a hundred meters...the universal athletic speed distance.

 

Hayne , Flash Gordon , Morris's , Fisiahi......those five lined up would leave the rest of the field for dead.

 

Went off topic there.

 

The other thing about speed ( and this is especially relevant with Tomkins ) is that some athletes like him / Marshall / Johnson lose very little speed with direction changes unlike straight out sprinters......tis why they beat so many tacklers.

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 Carlin Isles that plays rugby sevens for the USA just may well be the fastest player in both codes currently.

 

 

Is he the one that was in the top 40 fastest sprinters in the USA?

 

Watched a compilation video of him the other day, that guy can shift!!!

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Is he the one that was in the top 40 fastest sprinters in the USA?

 

Watched a compilation video of him the other day, that guy can shift!!!

Same player.

 

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Pure pace isn't enough; if not, Dwain Chambers would have got a contract at Castleford.

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Pure pace isn't enough; if not, Dwain Chambers would have got a contract at Castleford.

 

No, but it's a big portion of what's required especially for a winger. Berwyn Jones was an Olympic sprinter and signed for Wakefield. He went on to play for GB, I think. he didn't have a whole lot more to his arsenal than blazing speed but it was enough.

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In 'The Great Bev', there's a quote from an athletics trainer who reckoned he could have very easily turned Brian Bevan into a world-class sprinter if he'd got his hands on him and concentrated on racing at the expense of everything else that made his such an amazing Rugby player.

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