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As the obituary thread has to be respectfull -

Great union leader for his members but very divisive.

Got his members a great deal.

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As the obituary thread has to be respectfull -

Great union leader for his members but very divisive.

Got his members a great deal.

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That's what he was paid to do, get a good deal for his members in which he did. Sad loss R.I.P.

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There was a lot to be annoyed about - such as staging strikes to support members who had been found guilty of deeply unpleasant acts (one tube strike was threated, can't remember if it went ahead, in defence of a member who'd been working on a platform and had abused a perfectly innocent passenger) - but definitely the right man to lead a union fighting to ensure the best deal for its members.

 

He seemed to have been around forever though so it's startlingly to see he was only 52 - and, of course, that's no age to go at.

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Worked tirelessly for his members and got them a consistently good deal. He also had lots of good points to make about social and economic policies in this country, even if he didn't make them in the best way.

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I didn't agree with everything he said but I liked the fact that he was one of a rapidly disappearing breed who wasn't ashamed of being working class and think we are only there to press buttons or clean toilets. RIP

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Sit back and wait for the Broadsheets to dish the dirt in his obituaries.

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I didn't agree with everything he said but I liked the fact that he was one of a rapidly disappearing breed who wasn't ashamed of being working class and think we are only there to press buttons or clean toilets. RIP

I concur 100% with you.

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I didn't agree with everything he said but I liked the fact that he was one of a rapidly disappearing breed who wasn't ashamed of being working class and think we are only there to press buttons or clean toilets. RIP

 

Agree with that, the world needs people who are prepared to ask questions and to stand up for what they believe in.

 

I also do not agree with everything he said, but I am very glad that he exercised his right to say them and remind people that this is not forbidden or no longer allowed.

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Very sad to hear of Bob's untimely death. Bob articulated what many of us on the left feel. A working class voice in a sea of identikit middle class clones who use the Labour Movement for their own career advancement. He was one of us, whilst they only misrepresent us. RIP Comrade!

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Britain is now a poorer place with the loss of one of the few genuine people in public life. RIP Bob, deepest sympathy extended to his family, friends and RMT members.

 

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Its tragedy that he had died so young and the country is a poorer place when anyone dies. 500 000 people die in the UK every year. There is hardly a thing i agreed with him on but there is no doubt that he did the job his members expected of him. Yes, old labour has lost a character certainly but the world will continue to turn.

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Britain is now a poorer place with the loss of one of the few genuine people in public life. RIP Bob, deepest sympathy extended to his family, friends and RMT members.

 

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If the Tories, the daily mail and other right wing rags have you in their sights like bob crow was you're doing something right for the 99% and sticking it to the ruling elitist 1%. The working class lost a warrior and a fighter today and the world is a poorer place.

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Can't agree. He was a restoring bully who believed that might is right. A true Old Labour man . Yes the world is poorer by his death but no more than by anyone else's death

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Can't agree. He was a restoring bully who believed that might is right. A true Old Labour man . Yes the world is poorer by his death but no more than by anyone else's death

Yes anyone who promotes ridiculous ideas like workers having rights and not simply agreeing with any ridiculous penny pinching scheme that management come up with is obviously a bully.

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Can't agree. He was a restoring bully who believed that might is right. A true Old Labour man . Yes the world is poorer by his death but no more than by anyone else's death

How else can working people expect to gain better pay, benefits and working conditions by not being tough and willing to stand up and fight against their bosses? And who else is going to fight for them, the politicians? The political party's? Their bosses?

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I'm sorry, but, for me, there are echoes of Arthur Scargill in his personality.

 

I will remember him as an arrogant necessary cog in Britain's political and industrial relations regimes. Just a cog, not the whole flywheel.

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Anyone standing up for workers rights in this day and age is automatically a target for the Mail etc to label as a 'bully' or a dinosaur so unless that person had quite a tough personality then they probably wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Remember, cuts to services and jobs are essential and we should all acknowledge that, standing up to them is obviously bullying.

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Usual suspects, usual opinions. Plus ca change!

 

Remembering, of course, that your appraisal applies to both sides of the opinion.

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Anyone standing up for workers rights in this day and age is automatically a target for the Mail etc to label as a 'bully' or a dinosaur so unless that person had quite a tough personality then they probably wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Remember, cuts to services and jobs are essential and we should all acknowledge that, standing up to them is obviously bullying.

Absoultey, savage cuts to the NHS, fire fighters, police, transport sector and other public services affect us all and in some cases can be the difference between life and death. Not only do these savage cuts affect our standard of living but they throw hard working people onto the dole, people who are contributing to society by providing an essential service, paying taxes and reinvesting their wages into the British economy. What are they contributing to society if they're thrown onto the scrap heap and claiming dole money?

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If the Tories, the daily mail and other right wing rags have you in their sights like bob crow was you're doing something right for the 99% and sticking it to the ruling elitist 1%. The working class lost a warrior and a fighter today and the world is a poorer place.

That's the kind of ignorant rhetoric he was well known for and I certainly won't miss.  I read the Times or Telegraph so I guess that puts me in the 'ruling elitist 1%'.  Unemployed and living in a two up, two down.  What a way to rule! 

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That's the kind of ignorant rhetoric he was well known for and I certainly won't miss.  I read the Times or Telegraph so I guess that puts me in the 'ruling elitist 1%'.  Unemployed and living in a two up, two down.  What a way to rule!

No that doesn't put you with the ruling elitist 1% because they aren't unemployed and living in a two up two down. You're a classic example of prescribing to what Karl Marx described as the false consciousness, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, get on your bike and look for work, it's your fault your unemployed and poor etc. all the usual thatcherite Tory BS.

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I think all too many people are happy to accept Bob Crow as he was portrayed in certain sections of the media, some sort of ultra left wing demon. Listening to Radio 4 yesterday afternoon to the people who actually knew him he sounded much different. According to them, both friends and adversaries alike, he was a thoughtful and skilled negotiator on behalf of his members with the pragmatism to seek out compromise where possible and often went out of his way to avoid strike action. What also is in no doubt was his love and passion for his industry. The railways are almost unique in that respect, that many of those working for the railways are real fans of the railways. 

 

Anyway, don't take my word for it, read more here: Tributes to RMT leader

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No that doesn't put you with the ruling elitist 1% because they aren't unemployed and living in a two up two down. You're a classic example of prescribing to what Karl Marx described as the false consciousness, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, get on your bike and look for work, it's your fault your unemployed and poor etc. all the usual thatcherite Tory BS.

The Tories existed long before Thatcher you know.  I'm a voting Tory and working class.  The likes of Bob Crow and others who follow in his ideological footsteps can't get their heads around that combo, yet there are plenty of us around.  We don't all see ourselves as downtrodden no-hopers who have to blame one particular shade of government for everything.

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How else can working people expect to gain better pay, benefits and working conditions by not being tough and willing to stand up and fight against their bosses? And who else is going to fight for them, the politicians? The political party's? Their bosses?

 

Absolutely. Without this attitude and the labour movement we would all still be under the stairs polishing the brass.

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