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The Tories existed long before Thatcher you know.  I'm a voting Tory and working class.  The likes of Bob Crow and others who follow in his ideological footsteps can't get their heads around that combo, yet there are plenty of us around.  We don't all see ourselves as downtrodden no-hopers who have to blame one particular shade of government for everything.

I don't see working class people as downtrodden and no-hoppers quite the opposite infact, if it wasn't for the likes of bob crow, trade unionists and old labour that's exactly what the working class would be.

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The Tories existed long before Thatcher you know.  I'm a voting Tory and working class.  The likes of Bob Crow and others who follow in his ideological footsteps can't get their heads around that combo, yet there are plenty of us around.  We don't all see ourselves as downtrodden no-hopers who have to blame one particular shade of government for everything.

 

I grew up on a council estate and half of them were Tories, I think it stemmed from loyalty and an overriding acceptance of ones circumstances. Now I'm 45 I look back on my youth and I believe it was a lingering nostalgia for how it was in the past that brought misty tears to their eyes when they voted.

 

I listened to my dad and didn't trust the Tory ###### about "Great" Britain etc. It seems Bob Crow didn't either. 

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The Tories existed long before Thatcher you know.  I'm a voting Tory and working class.  The likes of Bob Crow and others who follow in his ideological footsteps can't get their heads around that combo, yet there are plenty of us around.  We don't all see ourselves as downtrodden no-hopers who have to blame one particular shade of government for everything.

 

From what I've read and heard about him, neither did he about himself or those he represented. In fact far from it, he wanted recognition for his members for the contribution they made to the running of the railways. Sounds far from downtrodden to me. 

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Yes anyone who promotes ridiculous ideas like workers having rights and not simply agreeing with any ridiculous penny pinching scheme that management come up with is obviously a bully.

While the directors of large companies never make people redundant just to show they're "doing something" or give workers grudged tiny pay rises while themselves double digit pay rises. They're all sweetness and light who need to be protected from these nasty unions.

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From what I've read and heard about him, neither did he about himself or those he represented. In fact far from it, he wanted recognition for his members for the contribution they made to the running of the railways. Sounds far from downtrodden to me. 

 

A quote went round yesterday, apparently from Bob Crow, saying that the reason he fought hard was so that his members could have through working what the likes of Cameron got through birth.

 

I fail to see anything wrong with that.

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A quote went round yesterday, apparently from Bob Crow, saying that the reason he fought hard was so that his members could have through working what the likes of Cameron got through birth.

 

I fail to see anything wrong with that.

Good quote and right to the point.

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I'm sorry, but, for me, there are echoes of Arthur Scargill in his personality.

 

I will remember him as an arrogant necessary cog in Britain's political and industrial relations regimes. Just a cog, not the whole flywheel.

He was nothing like Scargill.  Scargill was a narcissistic idiot who was very easily baited into the big shiny trap laid by Thatcher so that she could enact all the trades union reform that she wanted.  I blame Scargill and cronies just as much as Thatcher for the demise of unions from many places.  His naked self-interest came completely at the expense of the loyal miners within the union.  We're now at the point where unions have lost the battle entirely in most private sectors and no longer try.

 

An example:  One company I was a contractor in laid off a flat 10% of the workforce to "cut costs", despite it still being a very profitable company.  That wasn't the problem though, the remaining staff were told bluntly they had to take up the slack of the staff let go.  At the end of that financial year, the company's profits were down by a few %, partly because of the redundancy payouts and partly because there were 10% fewer staff, so all staff were told that there would be no pay rises that year.  Didn't impact director and senior manager level bonuses though...  Can you imagine that sort of management mispractice if they had a unionised workforce?

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It would be a fitting tribute if the undertakers went on strike.

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It would be a fitting tribute if the undertakers went on strike.

 

Why?

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Why?

 

To demand a pay rise of course.

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The Tories existed long before Thatcher you know.  I'm a voting Tory and working class.  The likes of Bob Crow and others who follow in his ideological footsteps can't get their heads around that combo, yet there are plenty of us around. 

 

Many years ago I used to go drinking at Oxford University Conservative Association bashes.  They didn't require you to join, cost a fiver or so and had unlimited cocktails.  All you had to do was put up with the OUCA types for an hour or so and you could get trashed very cheaply.   Happy days.

 

What that taught me about the Tories was that they actually laugh at people like you.  

 

You are a voting Tory and working class.    Sure, I think you're a fool but what's worse is the Tories that you support think so too.

 

This is the breeding ground for top Tories, and they hate you.  They really do.

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You are a voting Tory and working class.    Sure, I think you're a fool but what's worse is the Tories that you support think so too.

 

This is the breeding ground for top Tories, and they hate you.  They really do.

 

Yes, but, as far as I can interpret, Bob Crow thought the Labour Party was for fools.

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Yes, but, as far as I can interpret, Bob Crow thought the Labour Party was for fools.

New labour that is.

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Many years ago I used to go drinking at Oxford University Conservative Association bashes.  They didn't require you to join, cost a fiver or so and had unlimited cocktails.  All you had to do was put up with the OUCA types for an hour or so and you could get trashed very cheaply.   Happy days.

 

What that taught me about the Tories was that they actually laugh at people like you.  

 

You are a voting Tory and working class.    Sure, I think you're a fool but what's worse is the Tories that you support think so too.

 

This is the breeding ground for top Tories, and they hate you.  They really do.

University students are rarely a good indication of the attitudes of wider society, the braying Bullingdon boys are as unrepresentative as Dave Spart and the class warriors in the Socialist Workers Cooperative support society.

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University students are rarely a good indication of the attitudes of wider society, the braying Bullingdon boys are as unrepresentative as Dave Spart and the class warriors in the Socialist Workers Cooperative support society.

 

True, but then we do have a unusually high number of those unrepresentative Bullingdon boys running the country just at the moment. :rolleyes:

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University students are rarely a good indication of the attitudes of wider society, the braying Bullingdon boys are as unrepresentative as Dave Spart and the class warriors in the Socialist Workers Cooperative support society.

 

I agree.   But the thing about the Socialist Workers at Uni (and I met a few of those as well) is that they were idiots that everyone ignored then and they are idiots that everyone ignores now.   OUCA was full of idiots that are now Tory MPs and ministers.  For example, just preceding my time the OUCA president was Jeremy Hunt, who you'll possibly have heard of.   

 

FWIW, the Uni Labour club wasn't, as you might expect, full of careerist New Labour types.   They were, by and large, very nice and sensible.  But God it was dull.  The Tories had better parties, I'll give them that.

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I did not like him because he was always cancelling the trains and I had to walk to work.

 

But RIP anyway.

 

You weren't the only reason why the trains were overpriced and unreliable.

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I did not like him because he was always cancelling the trains and I had to walk to work.

 

But RIP anyway.

 

You weren't the only reason why the trains were overpriced and unreliable.

 

Always? Besides the recent tube strike I'm struggling to remember a train workers strike recently. 

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I agree.   But the thing about the Socialist Workers at Uni (and I met a few of those as well) is that they were idiots that everyone ignored then and they are idiots that everyone ignores now.   OUCA was full of idiots that are now Tory MPs and ministers.  For example, just preceding my time the OUCA president was Jeremy Hunt, who you'll possibly have heard of.   

 

FWIW, the Uni Labour club wasn't, as you might expect, full of careerist New Labour types.   They were, by and large, very nice and sensible.  But God it was dull.  The Tories had better parties, I'll give them that.

Jeremy Hunt? Rhyming Slang? 

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Many years ago I used to go drinking at Oxford University Conservative Association bashes.  They didn't require you to join, cost a fiver or so and had unlimited cocktails.  All you had to do was put up with the OUCA types for an hour or so and you could get trashed very cheaply.   Happy days.

 

What that taught me about the Tories was that they actually laugh at people like you.  

 

You are a voting Tory and working class.    Sure, I think you're a fool but what's worse is the Tories that you support think so too.

 

This is the breeding ground for top Tories, and they hate you.  They really do.

You can understand why billionaires, multi-millionaires, bankers, city spivs etc vote Tory but why unemployed people who live in a two up, two down do is really hard to fathom and is beyond me.

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You can understand why billionaires, multi-millionaires, bankers, city spivs etc vote Tory but why unemployed people who live in a two up, two down do is really hard to fathom and is beyond me.

 

Selflessnes maybe?

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FWIW, the Uni Labour club wasn't, as you might expect, full of careerist New Labour types. They were, by and large, very nice and sensible. But God it was dull. The Tories had better parties, I'll give them that.

When I was Chair of Leeds University Labour Club, the only careerist Labour politician around was Chris Leslie MP (now Shadow Chief Secretary), I tried to get him involved in the Labour Club but he was already working the local government route to Parliament.

PS We didn't have parties.

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When i was a student, we had loads of parties. You didn't have to have any political reason or excuse to get ~~~~faced and stand half a chance with attractive women who thought you must be cool because you were in an "in" crowd.

 

Somehow, I don't think those women would have considered either the Labour Party students or the Conservative Party students to be an "in" crowd.

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You can understand why billionaires, multi-millionaires, bankers, city spivs etc vote Tory but why unemployed people who live in a two up, two down do is really hard to fathom and is beyond me.

Socialism's record on unemployment isn't a good one.

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