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The Tories and the NHS - yet again

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Yeah.  I think I will on this occasion.  Getting a bit wearisome being employed for a year then unemployed for a couple of weeks.  May as well make the most of my tax investment!

 

 

get on your bike and look for work

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Anyone ever imagine a time when it might be possible for people to appreciate that pay rises cost money?  In the private sector that is a concept easily grasped but it would appear that some people think there is a bottomless pit of public money to spend on the NHS when there just isn't and nor should there be.  The pit does actually have a bottom and if people are demanding over and above what is in their contract (which apparently amounts to a 3% pay rise, although over what period I don't know) then they have to know that in meeting that demand, there is inevitably going to be loss elsewhere. 

But "money is no object."  "This is a very wealthy country"

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But "money is no object."  "This is a very wealthy country"

In terms of immediate rescue from the catastrophic flooding to the south of England it isn't.  And yes, it's a very wealthy country.

 

Your point was ... ?

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get on your bike and look for work

I don't need to.  The work pops into my inbox on a daily basis.  But thanks for your suggestion anyway!

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In terms of immediate rescue from the catastrophic flooding to the south of England it isn't.  And yes, it's a very wealthy country.

 

Your point was ... ?

My point was that we can afford to pay nurses a decent wage, one that will prevent them decamping to Australia.

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In terms of immediate rescue from the catastrophic flooding to the south of England it isn't.  And yes, it's a very wealthy country.

 

Your point was ... ?

For the sake of blind love for the private sector, the Tories would very happily privatise the NHS and see us in the same situation as the US where they pay roughly 2-3 times the amount per capita on healthcare as we do here.  They can charge that simply because a private industry can charge what they damn well see fit as critical healthcare is a real life or death decision.  There's a very good reason why in the US the number one reason for personal bankruptcy is healthcare costs.

 

The ideological sacrifice of the public sector just because "profit is good" is the reason why the Tories shouldn't be trusted with running anything other than their back-bench opposition committees.

 

I want a system where any British citizen can turn up with a health problem and get it fixed whether they've paid nothing into the National Insurance system or paid millions.  We already have three classes of healthcare: private, NHS and "sorry we no longer fund that", the middle group of NHS funded stuff is just being treated as a political play-thing with more and more pushed towards the latter category.

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I don't need to. The work pops into my inbox on a daily basis. But thanks for your suggestion anyway!

When you get these offers for work do you have a Dutch auction over your pay rates, so that your employer can generate more wealth. Judging by you posts on this thread, if you don't do that then you could be accused of being a bit hypocritical.

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When you get these offers for work do you have a Dutch auction over your pay rates, so that your employer can generate more wealth. Judging by you posts on this thread, if you don't do that then you could be accused of being a bit hypocritical.

Really?  Ha.  Good job.

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For the sake of blind love for the private sector, the Tories would very happily privatise the NHS and see us in the same situation as the US where they pay roughly 2-3 times the amount per capita on healthcare as we do here. 

Yeah, yeah.  Of course the Tories want to privatise the NHS.  That's why they did it when in power for 13 years. 

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Yeah, yeah. Of course the Tories want to privatise the NHS. That's why they did it when in power for 13 years.

18 years! And yes, they started then, what they are finishing now - it's taken a long time to fragment it into bits attractive to their capitalist friends.

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Yeah, yeah.  Of course the Tories want to privatise the NHS.  That's why they did it when in power for 13 years. 

 

The NHS has been privatised.  The process started in the 80s and has continued without let-up since then.

 

Why anyone pretends otherwise is something I find utterly baffling.

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Yeah, yeah.  Of course the Tories want to privatise the NHS.  That's why they did it when in power for 13 years. 

I take it you've not seen the changes in the NHS then?  For example, I went for a set of tests as part of a MoT done by my GP recently, two of the three tests were done by private companies because the NHS had "outsourced" them.  Then there's the persistent drive to commercialise the different component parts of the NHS, many of them are already fully commercial and private, many others are close enough to it that all it would take would be a simple "this would be better run by the private sector" for it to be incorporated and sold off as a profit-making entity

 

No political party could openly privatise the NHS as they'd get annihilated in the polls but they're doing it by stealth, Labour not so much, the current Coalition definitely.

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So... why does someone working in the NHS in Scotland get both progression and outrageously massive 1% pay rise while those in England or Wales get one of 1%, progression or nothing?

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Yeah, yeah.  Of course the Tories want to privatise the NHS.  That's why they did it when in power for 13 years. 

They're already doing it.

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So... why does someone working in the NHS in Scotland get both progression and outrageously massive 1% pay rise while those in England or Wales get one of 1%, progression or nothing?

 

IMO, it's simply the first part of moving towards local pay negotiations rather than national bargaining. This has been coming for a while, a couple of places have already tried to establish this but have been pushed back by union pressure. NHS Foundation Trusts (such as my employer) already have the legal power to agree local pay rates, but it's rarely done at present outside very senior manager positions. As more and more NHS organisations run into financial difficulties however, especially those providing patient facing services such as hospitals, community services and mental health will move to try to restrict pay outside the national agreements as it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest cost and as such has the scope to generate the most savings.

 

http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/workforce/south-west-trusts-set-up-pay-cartel/5045363.article#.UyM5Mvl_t8E

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