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Contreversial idea to address p & r!

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With all the arguments for and against relegation it seems that half of the fans are never gonna be pleased one way or the other. A post on another thread about French RL got me thinking. Someone suggested that (here should be teams based on regions in France entering SL just like Catalans

with all local teams in that region acting as feeder

teams in an elite 1 type league. Could this work in

UK?

What about teams such as West Yorks, East

Yorks, Greater Manchester, Merseyside/

Chesire,Cumbria,London etc competing in a

competition with no p & r. Club teams could still

exist in a national/regional structure so no one

would have to merge, and these teams could act as feeder clubs to the their regional side which would give squad players and young players a competive competiton to play when not selected.

Would this help create an elite structure and increase standards?

Would fans support this?

Would it be more attractive to TV, sponsors, media?

Is it a non starter?

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I doubt fans would support this. East Yorks, Greater Manchester arn't really areas to get behind. Fans tend to support clubs

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I think the big clubs are too big to be overtaken by county sides. However, I've often wondered wether a Cumbria team in Super League could work, forming a partnership with Barrow, Whitehaven and Workington.

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Feel like its 1995 all over again! Are you Mighty Mo? When this was an option back then, the "Greater Manchester" clubs couldn't even agree on a venue to discuss the options!

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It has worked well in Welsh RU so why not?

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I'm not talking mergers so the clubs wouldn't have to agree as they would run seperate from the clubs. The clubs would still exist but there would be an elite competition based on regions above the club game. P and R wouldn't be needed so each team could grow all aspects of their business without the threat of relegation.Any teams from development areas could play in a merit type league until deemed ready to join the set up. All squad players and young players coming out of the academy could be dual registered with the club teams within their region which would help their development and keep everybody match fit.

Games could be played on Friday and Saturday with club games reverting back to their traditional Sunday slot. This would stop clashes between regional matches and club matches so both could be attended if required.

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So with your idea. My club Keighley could not play in top div.

 

Nobodies club would.

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one question .

   which ground would the west Yorkshire club play at .

 

we all know that only the fans from the original club at the ground chosen would turn up for most games . I mean can you imagine cas or Bradford fans turning up to support a team based at headingley  . if based at the only other ground in west yorks fit for purpose  Huddersfield  I doubt many would go there either

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I get the impression that this idea would fail miserably! It was just an idea as an alternative i'm not even convinced myself, especially after the responses!

What would be the best structure to follow?

3 x 8, 2 up 2 down, franchising, p and r on a 3 year cycle, other suggestions?

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just have two leagues of ten playing each other three times with one up one down all we need.

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Id have two leagues of 10 playing 18 games. 1 up, 1 down and more french clubs included as there would be more funding for clubs in the lower division.

18 games leaves more space for internationals and world club. NRL could also reduce weekly rounds.

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Whether it's 3 x 8 or 2 x 10 I think more money should have been allocated to teams outside the top tier. This is the only way p and r will work because teams would then be able to move between the 2 leagues without major upheavel each time.

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I get the impression that this idea would fail miserably! It was just an idea as an alternative i'm not even convinced myself, especially after the responses!

What would be the best structure to follow?

3 x 8, 2 up 2 down, franchising, p and r on a 3 year cycle, other suggestions?

Why don't we wait and see how 3x8 system goes before talking of a follow up structure. It's not even started yet!

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It has worked well in Welsh RU so why not?

Has it worked well in Welsh RU? Take the national team out of the equation and it seems to me their domestic scene is getting weaker year on year.

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Whether it's 3 x 8 or 2 x 10 I think more money should have been allocated to teams outside the top tier. This is the only way p and r will work because teams would then be able to move between the 2 leagues without major upheaval each time.

 

The current SKY TV money could be spread 24 equal ways for 2 x 12 at £1.3M per club per year.

 

The top clubs of the 24 clubs turn over over £6M the bottom clubs in the 24 turn over less that £1M.

 

Promotion and relegation would still likely most depend on who has rich backers and who doesn't.

 

No Different to now, try as many permutations and financing of the exact same thing applied to the exact same clubs and you probably get little variance.

 

Except that top players wages will be cut.

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Why don't we wait and see how 3x8 system goes before talking of a follow up structure. It's not even started yet!

I quite like the 3 x 8 idea and think it will add a lot of interest, especially outside of SL. I was just suggesting alternatives as a lot of people seem to think it's doomed to fail

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It has worked well in Welsh RU so why not?

 

I don't know that that's true, Johnny.  What they did is divide the country up into regions and pick one club to represent that region.  Not quite the same thing as mergers.

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I quite like the 3 x 8 idea and think it will add a lot of interest, especially outside of SL. I was just suggesting alternatives as a lot of people seem to think it's doomed to fail

 

I agree with you.

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I don't know that that's true, Johnny.  What they did is divide the country up into regions and pick one club to represent that region.  Not quite the same thing as mergers.

 

BSJ's tongue is firmly wedged in his cheek with that post.

 

Do we need to have better representative football as a tier between current clubs and the international team? I know the Aussies have SOO, but what would we have that wouldn't be a botch?

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BSJ's tongue is firmly wedged in his cheek with that post.

Do we need to have better representative football

as a tier between current clubs and the

international team? I know the Aussies have SOO,

but what would we have that wouldn't be a botch?

What about a 4N type competition based on the regional sides mentioned at the start of this thread. Players could represent the region they were born in, went to school in and/or played junior RL in. It could compose sides from WYorks, Greater Manchester, East Yorks, ANO North West(Merseyside,Chesire,South West Lancs), Cumbria, London. Any sides not in the four could play in a second tier comp. Each team plays each other once with a final at the end(maximum 5 games).

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